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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 029



Inside this episode! Sue and I review Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo’s Wolverine & The X-Men #1 and an advance review of Jeremy Whitley and M. Goodwin’s PrinceLess #1 (available 11/2/11 on Graphicly and 11/9/11 in stores!).  For our hot topic we have special guest star Kelly Sue DeConnick, author of the hit series Osborn, a small but wonderful run on Supergirl, as well as co-author of the new graphic novel Castle (and one of my favorite one-shots of all time – Sif) joining us to discuss the state of women in comics and the Women in Marvel Panel she participated in at NYCC.  Chick of the week, in honor of Women of Wonder Day, is WONDER WOMAN

Also, for those that like to skip around to avoid spoilers and such, here are the section breaks:

Wolverine & The X-Men #1 Review – 1:00
PrinceLess #1 Review – 17:45
Hot Topic – 28:14
Chick of the Week –108:00

Episode links! Women of Marvel NYCC Panel (skip to 2 hour, 15 minute mark), Women of Wonder Day, Action Lab Comics, More on PrinceLess, Superheroes Are For Girls, Too, Kelly’s CBR review of Wolverine & The X-Men #1, She Has No Head! – It Took Gail Simone, She Has No Head! – 20 Favorite Comics Females.

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass and Kelly Thompson from She Has No Head! Tune in weekly to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly and Sue.  Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


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Kelly Sue DeConnick is great!!! i was nodding my head in eager agreement through her whole run-down of superhero comics continuity being the devil and everything. now i don’t feel so alone! and the rest of it was awesome too, great conversation and great points raised.

i can’t wait until next year when Glory is the chick of the week. >:D

hmmm, i don’t know what the anniversary cast should have in it… maybe bring Maddy back somehow and do a bittersweet reunion episode. i think just a regular episode would be great, too, sometimes putting the pressure on something to be special because of an occasion can get to be too much and suck the life out of it.

On the issue of perception of the glass ceiling, I definitely think that’s a factor. At least, when you know you’re going to be the only women in a room full of men (*and* you’re presumably the newbie), there’s always the risk of this classic XKCD scenario: http://xkcd.com/385/

That is, I do think that the fear that people will perceive you as such can (potentially) trip you up as much as actual men with those spoken or unspoken perceptions.

On the other hand, I think there’s a danger of going too far with that argument, and turning it into a thing where you’re basically saying, “It’s all in their heads! There is no glass ceiling, women just need to stop worrying and get in there!” Which could transform into ignoring any problems that *do* exist within the system and industry.

On continuity: I think it is a big problem, and it is a big barrier to new, unfamiliar, and/or lapsed readers.

And YET, continuity has a habit of being the impetus for character development sometimes. When characters have been through certain things together or individually, they’re changed, and their relationships change. So when a desire to be free of continuity erases that, it can diminish the depth of characterization, the nuances that exist within characters and their relationships that have grown and changed over time.

And I would argue that female characters seem to be the victims of that more often, because of what I like to call the de-prioritization of them in stories, along with WiR syndrome. It’s partly why there are so many stops and starts in the histories of characters like Supergirl and Wonder Woman. It’s why partly why the female characters in the new 52 seem to be more rebooted than many male characters.

So continuity can be valuable, and can sometimes be something I want to cling to for dear life, but it shouldn’t be the end-all be-all of stories, because that’s incredibly alienating. I’d say continuity should ideally *inform* characterization and stories, but neither should *hinge* on continuity.

(But that being said, I totally think there should be room for out-of-continuity stories, where creators can just pick and choose and create what they want to tell the story they have to tell.)

Good episode! I like how it turned into a hunt for commonalities among the different stories in Kelly’s body of work. It became less of an interview about process and more of a conversation about discovery. I rarely get to listen to a podcast interview that’s raw like that, so I really enjoyed it.

Aaron’s work on Scalped leads people to believe that his work has more brutal nature to it but his light hearted stuff has been pretty great. He writes a pretty funny Spidey and his work on Astonishing mini with Spidey and Wolverine was great. This book just seems to be Aaron having a lot of fun.

As for the one year anniversary, bringing Maddy back for the episode would be fitting.

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(Hi Maddy!)

Two things came to mind as I (finally) listen to this week’s ‘cast (still going through it).

1) It just occurred to me that maybe Batman’s “voice” in Batwoman was SO off because… they weren’t trying to do Bruce as The Batman. This was originally written when Dick was still under the cowl. Granted, this should have been another thing that was tweaked, but perhaps no one looked at it in that light because – since it’s the mask and not the face in the scenes – it didn’t occur to anyone. Maybe it helps to put the initial Batwoman stories a little bit in the past. (It doesn’t matter to me because I’m not reading “The DC Universe”, I’m reading a few select books.)

2) Continuing from Maddy’s thread above, massive devotion to continuity can be severely off-putting to new and lapsed readers. Until recently I hadn’t read monthly comics in over a decade.

For example, I stopped reading X-Men 25 years ago because I didn’t like the stories and some of the “newer” characters do not interest me (Gambit and Cable spring to the forefront). Trying to cram the last 2 decades of continuity down my throat rather than telling a simple clean story that may be informed by the past without constantly referring to it (as in the wake of pretty much every “event” series) is the wrong way to go. Continuity used to be about making readers curious about past stories (that’s in the early or pre-comic shop days). These days it frequently seems to be about making sure you know everything there is to know about every minutiae of a character’s history even though there are stores, trades, forums and digital sources for that information. (And I confess, the beginning of Batwoman: Elegy seemed to follow that trend, but Rucka quickly moved beyond history and into his new story – just as any new series based on an established character should.)

Late comment is late but I’ll say it anyway as I’m only now catching up.
My comment is about what Kelly (I think it was Kelly who mentioned it, apologies if I remember wrong) said about issue numbering.

We’ve been using the magazine format of number/year since pretty much always for our translated comics (which combines at least two american issues) here in Sweden. We are however about a year behind which allows editors to pick and choose titles and story lines that fit and are good enough. Additional info pages can be inserted if references are made to unpublished material (90s X-Men example that springs to mind: The real Beast being rescued during Onslaught and Havok going evil was entirely off panel for us and was told in recap pages. Another particularly baffling one was Betty coming back to life and changing hair color between pages in Hulk).

There’s been a running number in all of our Marvel comics since mid 80s (although they might have stopped recently, I don’t buy translated comics anymore) which helped us see throughout X-Men, FF, Spidey (and occasional DD, Hulk and Avengers) comics which order they all go. This has been helpful for us but might not work these days because the many cross-overs (both characters and events) of today and I can see it only working as a puzzle in hindsight and not for the original american publishing as pre-planning that sort of thing would be a HUGE constraint on the editors/writers.

It’s also worth mentioning that comics in general (with for instance original material) in Sweden use the magazine standard.

Thank you for a great episode ladies, and it will be interesting to see what you did for the anniversary. :P

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