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The Line It Is Drawn #64 – Comic Book Characters and Walt Disney Characters!

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Now on to the bit!

So every week, I ask a question here. You reply to it on our Twitter page (just write @csbg with your reply) and our SEVEN blog sketch artists will each pick one of your suggestions and I will post them here every week. So every week you will have a new question and you will see the top six choices from the previous week. Here is an archive of all the previous editions of The Line It Is Drawn!

To qualify, you have to be following us when you reply – so go follow us and then give your answer to the following question/challenge (All suggestions due by 7:00 AM Pacific, Friday, November 4th).

Next week’s theme is…

As suggested by reader Josh, team-up or mash-up a comic book character with a notable singer and/or musician! We better see a lot of Dylan suggestions!

Read on for the six sketches that came about courtesy of the last question/challenge!

Team-up or mash-up a comic book character with a Walt Disney character

Enjoy!

I’ll put them in alphabetical order based on the name of the Twitter user who made the suggestion.

All copyright and trademarks of the following characters are held by their respective owners!

No George or Daniel this week, so Sean will fill-in! And luckily, Nick did a bonus piece so we’ll still have six pieces (also, Mic? was a yeoman getting his piece in)!

BigMike20X6 suggested:

X-Babies of the Carribean

Caanan Grall is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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dc2omniverse suggested:

Mulan vs. Lady Shiva

Michael “Mic?” Magtanong is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

dc2omniverse suggested:

The Savage Pocahontas

Chaz Folgar is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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dc2omniverse suggested:

Poison Ivy (as Snow White) casually eats the poisoned apple from the Evil Witch.

Nick Perks is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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good_evil suggested:

OMAC / Steam Boat Mickey

Sean McFarland is the artist on this one. Here is Sean’s website.

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therealAstrozac suggested:

Billy Batson as Aladdin and Captain Marvel as the Genie

Nick Perks is the artist for this one, too. Here is his website.

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Awesome work, everybody! Thanks for the neat suggestions! Almost 200 suggestions this week!

Now everyone go make suggestions for next week!

43 Comments

All good, but OMAC and Steamboat Mickey takes the cheese. I can hear that old timey music in my head.

But it’s Steamboat WILLIE.

Ugh, somehow I missed entering a suggestion this week. A Black Widow/Kim Possible teamup would’ve been great.

What Scot said

So, does Captain Marvel have “phenomenal cosmic power”?

Steamboat OMAC is wonderful.

I seriously can’t believe not one of the things I suggested got chosen…I had at least 30….

I was going to say “It’s Steamboat WILLIE, not Steamboat MICKEY!” But then I saw the “willie” in the last panel.

That’s Gladiator, not OMAC.

yeah. The OMAC one is pretty dirty.

Loved the “Snow White” one…..LOL

Plus, the “X-Babies of the Carribean” is another excellent one (although let’s hope that Mojo doesn’t try to get royalties for that one…!! :P )

I like how OMAC was adapted to the early Disney style.

Nice shout out to Marvel: 1602, chaz!

Love it. Gotta love Caanan’s X-Babies style
Chaz’s nod to 1602 was a nice touch as well. Ignore Trey Chaz, keep doing what you’re doing.
Great pieces from everyone this week

Snow Ivy and Steamboat OMAC were my faves.

I look forward to this every week. Wish there’d be some artist rotations because Chaz’ “art” hurts my eyes.

There are people who don’t like Chaz’s Picassoesque stylings and off-the-wall composition?

Mic? Can you pitch a Mic?-drawn Mulan comic to Marvel/Disney? Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

Love the nod to 1602, Chaz! I also love that John Smith calls her Pokey… (Does she call him Gumby?)

Nick, I (and I bet Kermit too) love the almost-violent green of your piece. Snow Ivy is bringing back the high-waisted hot pants in a big way.

And Steamboat Omac is great. Love the ‘beat’ of it, Sean. Where else can you find an illustration that says “Buddy, your vibe is messing with our groovy bouncing…” with one punch? ;)

I don’t do twitter, so I’ll dare to suggest a Punisher/50 Cent encounter here.

Seriously NOT pleased with the “Savage Pocahontas” one. Granted, I’m not as familiar with the current Marvel Universe but the only GREEN “savage” She-Hulk that I’m familiar with NEVER spoke in that “broken” English form (except for a very brief “Avengers” storyline). And then to have a Native American character like Pocahontas using it just adds an unpleasant tinge of racism to the mix.

Snow Ivy, on the other hand, just had me in stitches. (I’m not sure why–I guess it was just the way Ivy seemed to be savoring the apple while the witch was in shock that nothing was happening.)

And the X-Babies of the Caribbean needs to be turned into a full-length comic. (Just for good measure, reprint “Kitty’s Fairy Tale” as a back-up story.)

LOL’d at Steamboat OMAC. So, so awesome from everyone as usual…

EVACUATE THIS STEAMBOAT! I’M GOING TO DESTROY IT!

Disney mash-ups and no one linked to either James Silvani’s or Amy Mebberson’s Tumblr feeds? This is pretty much their stock in trade, and usually much funnier than what’s presented here.

love the x-babies – so much detail and johnnie depp looks like johnnie depp – excellent.

What’s up with all the haters this week? Did someone post a “Trolls Welcome” sign?

Caanan – that is just awesome, man! I *LOVE* the mini-Cyclops with the ruby eyepatch and the undead monkey running from Lockheed :)

Mic? – You read my mind. Eddie Murphy and Disney are two things that should never mix. GREAT drawing and thanks for taking one of mine to do.

Chaz – don’t pay any attention to the naysayers. I happen to like your work a lot and nobody ever said that you had to stick to using a /smart/ She-Hulk. It’s just for fun, folks, not gospel.

Nick – LOVE it. You pretty much nailed exactly what I had in my head (except yours is way better than anything I could have done). The expression on the witch’s face is just priceless.

Sean – it’s amazing that you took two completely different things and meshed them as well as you did (I won’t comment on the phallic look of the hat on the last panel). Good job.

Nick (again) – Technique and drawing is very good but that Disney Aladdin connection is pretty hard to get in this one. Still, you manned up and did TWO in one week – hard to fault you for not having two outstanding pieces in such a short amount of time.

Looking forward to next week!

I agree DC2 Universe. Racism is fun!

Nice freedom of speech around here.

What about http://www.jameshance.com/. His work is brilliant, too!!

“The Savage Pocahontas” may well have been a racist suggestion. I can’t really think of another reason one would suggest that an American Indian character be coupled with the adjective “savage”, but maybe I’m missing something. Chaz’s DEPICTION, though, I think, was clearly not meant to be racist. She’s not speaking like that because of the “Pocahontas” element, she’s speaking like that because of the “Hulk” element. Granted, She-Hulk doesn’t talk like that, but. . .not everybody knows that, do they?

Anyway, what am I playing the apologist for? Chaz and DC2 Omniverse can probably explain their respective viewpoints better than I can, that being the nature of viewpoints and all. I’d be particularly interested to hear how the suggestion even came about, myself. In the meantime, let’s try to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of IMMEDIATELY jumping to accusations of racism. It creates a decidely more hostile environment than I think suits this place.

Also, Blake? “Freedom of speech” doesn’t mean no one can disagree with you or tell you to shut up. That’s actually the opposite of what it means.

Surely the humor of the “Savage Pocahontas” suggestion is that the demure Disney Princess ISN’T savage, and mashing her up with the “Savage She-Hulk” is funneeeeee. No racism intended.

I feel I gotta do a bit of a press conference here –

Disney’s Pocahontas movie has been accused of being pretty un-PC and historically inaccurate to begin with. They’ve never really represented ethnic characters without resorting to some stereotype. When you couple that with the fact that these movies are geared toward children (and marketed worldwide, no less!), it gives kids a pre-determined worldview that is negative from the onset. These movies kinda create the idea that all the white characters are awesome, and all the ethnic characters are repulsive. One of the songs in Pocahontas has the line “Savages, Savages — barely even human!” to describe the Indians. Even though Pocahontas serves a positive role in the movie, she still services the stereotype (albeit, a positive stereotype, but a stereotype nonetheless) that all Native Americans have a direct connection to nature and her look is based on that American/European beauty standard that tends to “white-ify” ethnic characters.

My intent here was to poke a little fun at how culturally insensitive Disney could be, by exaggerating how I thought Disney/Marvel would depict her in this scenario. Now, if that didn’t come across, my apologies. I was not out to make some malicious depiction of Native Americans; I wanted to satirize the already negative way Disney treats its ethnic characters. And don’t get it twisted – I don’t hate Disney, but I do recognize their somewhat sub-par handling of ethnic characters. And, yes, I’m aware She-Hulk does not talk like that, but whatever, this is all for fun. I thought the brute talk would be more effective.

If you think my artwork sucks, that’s your prerogative. I’m not that great, I know.

In any case, a big thank you to joshschr, Big Mike, Nick, Caanan, and DC2 Omniverse for the support! I appreciate it, guys!

Charlie, you can disagree with me all you want. That’s the great part about it but delete the comment, matter what is says, doesn’t lend itself to an active discussion does it?

Chaz, two wrongs don’t make a right.

blake: You’re right, two wrongs don’t make a right, they make a left. If we’re too scared to journey through uncomfortable territory, we’ll never learn anything about ourselves or the ills of the world. That said, you’re entitled to your opinion, and that’s all good. I didn’t intend to perpetuate racism, I meant to examine the stereotypes that form its foundations.

fantastic work on my suggestion. absolutely thrilled to see a Steamboat OMAC.

Chaz, your art notwithstanding, you have great ideas, honestly and seriously.

It’s just a tad insincere, in my opinion.

I_Captain Blanco

November 4, 2011 at 11:21 am

That Billy Batson/Aladdin picture conveys more of the magic and wonder of Captain Marvel than anything DC has published of this character in the last five years.

X-Babies of the Caribbean: Nice to see Canaan doing the X-Babies again. This piece has the whimsy I felt had been missing on his recent pieces. Specially loved Lockheed roasting the monkey! :D

Mulan vs Lady Shiva: I hate Shiva, she’s a B*tch, the idea she descends from Mulan is annoying. And Hey! The Murphy-voiced Dragon was the funniest thing in the movie!

The Savage Pocahontas: Prejudiced? This? Sheesh. It’s just funny! I also feel it’s Chaz’ most creative piece yet, what with the Watcher and Marvel 1602 homages. Way to go!

Poison Ivy as Snow White: This was the sexiest one. ;)

OMAC and Steamboat Willie: …I don’t get this one. Oh it looks funny (and Perks, as usual, wonderfully captures the art of the time) but why OMAC? Is this some reference to the new OMAC comic (that I’m NOT following?)

Shazam and Aladdin: On some old stories, these characters were actually treated as separate beings who just traded places, so in a way this makes sense. Also, it reminds me of Johnny Thunder and his Thunderbolt genie, which was kind of like Shazam as well (he used a magic word to summon the genie.) The art is great too. My one complaint would be that it includes almost no Disney references (They didn’t invent Aladdin you know.)

Overall a very fun week. Thanks everyone! :)

@Sijo – Sadly I can’t take credit for OMAC and Steamboat Willie – it was Sean McFarland who captured that style so well! I agree completely with your comments on Shazam and Aladdin – I put nothing of Disney in there… :”> Oh well.

Guys! I love absolutely every single one of these! I kinda hate skipping weeks because they remind me just awesome you guys are without me! Damnit!

Caanan’s x-babies make the comeback and absolutely kick ass while doing it. MIc was born to draw some Mulan, Chaz unwittingly strikes up the controversy of the decade. Poison Ivy would totally kill that evil bitch, and Sean Know what absolutely everyone has wanted to do ever since they laid eyes on Pete.

damn good week!

I think that the Pocahontas bit was inspired. Take that stereotypes!

Also, Steamboat OMAC may have been the perfect comic.

Chaz — re “These movies kinda create the idea that all the white characters are awesome, and all the ethnic characters are repulsive. One of the songs in Pocahontas has the line “Savages, Savages — barely even human!” to describe the Indians”

– except in this case, the vast majority of the white characters are pretty nasty, and in that song, *both* sides are calling each other savages, and while it is the white villain of the piece, Ratcliffe, who says the “barely even human” line first, both sides say that about each other — see lyrics here at

http://www.fpx.de/fp/Disney/Lyrics/Pocahontas.html#Savages

I saw the Disney movie Rapunzel the other day. Not a bad movie. I was just amused by the idea of Rapunzel leaving her tower to go and see the Lanterns, and in the the back of my head, imagining a crossover into the DC Universe.

I am surprised no-one mentioned it for this edition of The Line is Drawn.

As for the question of why certain mashups ‘werent mentioned’ it should be noted that there were 200 suggestions given, and only 6 chosen. I know my suggestions were a wide range of characters and ideas. It’s up to the 6 artists to select the one they feel they can interpret the best.

Blake: I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you had a comment deleted. Your complaint now makes much more sense within that context. As it was, it just seemed strangely random.

Chaz: Thanks for giving your take on the “Savage Pocahontas” thing instead of being all aloof and junk. Knowing that it’s supposed to be a parody of Disney’s depiction of other ethnicities should not ONLY silence further accusations of racism, it also makes the picture a little bit funnier, at least to me. Very clever take, I wish I’d been clever enough to pick up on it.

Other artists: You all did a great job, as usual. You get that a lot, I know, but if I were in your position I’d want to get it as often as possible. So there it is.

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