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The Greatest Doctor Doom Stories Ever Told!

Every day in November we will reveal the greatest stories ever told starring a particular character or written/drawn by a particular creator (and throughout the month, you’ll get daily chances to vote for NEXT week’s lists). These lists are voted on by YOU, the reader!

Here is the list of characters/creators featured so far (along with the rules on how to vote).

Today’s list is the Greatest Doctor Doom Stories Ever Told!


Sorry for the delay! To make it up to you, I’ll give you #11-15, as well!

15. Fantastic Four #196-200

Marv Wolfman, Keith Pollard, Joe Sinnott and Pablo Marcos combined to tell this dramatic story of Doctor Doom giving Reed Richards his powers back in a plot to give the FF’s power to a clone of Doom’s that would then take over the throne of Latveria. The Fantastic Four must reunite to stop Doom’s plan. This all leads to a one-on-one battle between Reed and Doom like none you’ve ever seen!

14. Books of Doom #1-6

Ed Brubaker, Pablo Raimondi and Mark Farmer were the creative team on this acclaimed re-envisionment of Doom’s origins.

13. Fantastic Four #350 and 352

In this delightfully clever story by writer/artist Walter Simonson, Doctor Doom lures the Fantastic Four to Latveria where Doom and Reed combat each other in a battle through time that takes up the entirety of Fantastic Four #352 in one of the most unusual (non-linear) stories ever! The cover is even part of the story!

12. Marvel Graphic Novel: Emperor Doom

Doctor Doom takes over the world through mind control. And surprisingly enough, the world is a lot better with Doom in charge. While he is wondering whether it was all really worth it (is it really a conquest if you just take over everyone’s mind?), Wonder Man of the Avengers tries to put together a team of heroes to stop Doom (while questioning whether it is his right to ruin a world that is at peace. Is peace worth the loss of free will?). David Michelinie wrote it and Bob Hall drew it.

11. Fantastic Four #67-70, Fantastic Four #500 “Unthinkable”

The “unthinkable” aspect of this story is both the lengths that Doom goes to to become a master of the mystic arts (basically sacrificing love) as well as the fact that Reed Richards cannot comprehend using magic to stop Doom because he cannot think that way (as he is too much of a man of science). Mark Waid wrote it and Mike Wieringo and Karl Kesel drew it.

10. Astonishing Tales #8 “…Though Some Call It Magic”

In this offbeat tale by Gerry Conway, Gene Colan and Tom Palmer, we first learn about how Doom routinely attempts to save his mother’s soul from hell. This would become an important part of Doom’s mythos.

9. Fantastic Four #39-40 “The Battle of the Baxter Building”

After the Fantastic Four lose their powers, Doctor Doom takes control of their own headquarters! The team must find a way to stop him without their powers (or perhaps Reed can think of a way to bring their powers back!). Daredevil also lends a hand in this story by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Vince Colletta.

8. Fantastic Four #236 “Terror in a Tiny Town”

In this 20th Anniversary issue of the Fantastic Four, writer/artist John Byrne reveals what kind of terror Doctor Doom has in mind for the Fantastic Four when he captures them and has them at his mercies. His plot is to destroy their spirits by placing them into a seemingly mundane virtual reality controlled by Doom.

7. Iron Man #149-150 “Doomquest”

Iron Man and Doom end up back in the time of King Arthur. Doom teams up with Morgan Le Fey (who promises to help Doom with his quest to end his mother’s suffering in Hell) while Iron Man teams up with King Arthur and the knights of Camelot. Bob Layton and David Michelinie wrote it and John Romita Jr. and Layton drew it.

6. Secret Wars #10-12 “Doom vs. the Beyonder”

The Beyonder is powerful enough to create a world and transport cities and some of the most powerful heroes and villains to the world to compete for his pleasure. And driven by his sheer willpower, Doom was able to temporarily take over. That’s how bad ass Doom is. Jim Shooter wrote this series with art by Mike Zeck, John Beatty and 3,450 other inkers.

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5. Fantastic Four #246-247 “This Land is Mine!”

The Fantastic Four is forced to help Doctor Doom re-take control of Latveria in this classic two-parter by writer/artist John Byrne.

4. Fantastic Four #258 “Interlude”

In this one-off issue (that the Fantastic Four notably does not appear in – the first time in the history of their title that they did not appear in their own comic), writer/artist John Byrne shows us a day in the life of Doom in Latveria. A very strong issue.

3. Fantastic Four Annual #2 “The Origin of Doctor Doom”

Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Chic Stone combined for the classic origin of Doctor Doom in this 1964 Annual. This one story was packed with enough ideas that people are STILL mining it for stories to this day, nearly 50 years later!

2. Fantastic Four #57-60 “The Power and the Peril!”

Doctor Doom steals the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer and causes quite the commotion. Some of the finest Fantastic Four battle scenes are in this storyline. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Joe Sinnott were the creative team.

1. That time Doctor Doom stiffed Luke Cage out of $200.

Just because I know my pal Iron Maiden loves hearing about that story. ;) Seriously, though…

1. Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment

In this classic graphic novel by Roger Stern, Mike Mignola and Mark Badger, Doom finally succeeds in rescuing his mother’s soul from hell. A tremendous story with amazing Mignola artwork. A true classic. Is it even still in print?

That’s the list! Agree? Disagree? Saddened that the Coming of Squirrel Girl did not make the list? Let me know!


And let the pissing and moaning about Unthinkable ruining Doom’s “noble fascist” schtick… begin.

I always think of the What If story about if the Avengers lost Atlantis Attacks. Doom’s one of the few humans left, he leads everyone else into battle against interstellar demons, and he keeps fighting ever as he’s burned to death. He’s a grade-A hero…so long as there’s someone worse than him around.

Was hoping Fantastic Five would have made the list. Haven’t read Astonishing Tales #8 so I will need to track that down.


Liked all the selections here with the exception of Waid Unthinkable arc. As someone who thought Byrne’s “noble fascist” take on Doom made him a much more interesting antagonist (which really worked for #5 on the list), I really disliked Unthinkable not only for Doom’s depiction, but also Reed’s (pertaining to magic) as well. A poor followup to Waid’s excellent Imaginauts.

You almost had me for a second there with the Cage story. I’m going to blame the cold medication I’m on.

I’m sorry, but Kirby’s more polished later work on the epic run of the first hundred issues of FF is not even represented here. I think the story in issues 84-87 is one of the finest in comics’ history, and would rank it over all those listed here. It does own some inspiration to McGoohan’s “Prisoner,” but that doesn’t make it any less accomplished.

For the most part, a great list (except for Waid’s story, which was just ick). I love-love-love Stern’s run on Dr. Strange, but I’ve never read that graphic novel! I had no idea it was so beloved! I must track it down immediately…

Is the next voting round going to have Greatest Stories Where We Thought It Was Doom but it was actually a doombot?

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Books of Doom is so underrated. It’s a perfectly crafted and in-depth character study on the most complex villain in comics. Seriously go back and actually read some of the stories that beat it in the rankings, they simply don’t hold up as mature storytelling, no offense to Stan Lee.

I have read most of these stories (unfortunately not the #1 selection), and I would have put Fantastic Four #236 (not only one of the best Dr. Doom stories, but one of the best Fantastic Four stories ever written; it seems fitting that it should be both) at the #1 spot and Iron Man #150 (the first Michelinie issue I read, and the one that led me to track down all the others) in the #2 spot. A lot of good selections here, but yes, Kirby’s work is underrepresented.

“Terror in a Tiny Town” is one of may all time favorite FF stories. I think I pretty much read the covers off that issue. Also glad to see FF 300 get some love. I thought the Wolfman/Pollard run on FF was pretty darn good.

I never read “Emperor Doom” but the plot sounds a lot like a much older storyline from Super-Villain Team Up, where Doom takes over the world by saturating the atmosphere with some kind of mind-controlling gas. Magneto iss (for some reason) the only person immune to it, and he uses his powers to free the Beast from Magneto’s control and the two of them set out to take Doom down. The ending had a great ironic twist. (And, if memory serves, that story was also drawn by Bob Hall.)

I agree that FF #84-87 are better than most stories on this list. I also dislike Unthinkable for ruining Doom’s “noble fascist” schtick.

Ed (A Different One)

November 30, 2011 at 10:43 am

Almost got me there with the Luke Cage $200.00 thing . . .

Didn’t vote for this one as I’m not exactly immersed in Doom lore, so to speak, but love him as a character and think he’s the all time great comic (medium, not genre) villian. I still have some old tattered copies of IIM’s Doomquest lying in a box somewhere. And who could forget his badassery in the first Secret Wars . . .

Seriously though, I have to get my hands on a copy of Triumph and Torment. Roger Stern is my all time favorite comic (medium, not genre) writer and I just have to read his treatment of this all-time greatest comic villian.

Is that still in print anywhere?

Terror in a Tiny Town?

More like terror in a Tiny TOON! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I remember reading reprints of FF 57-60 in Marvel’s Greatest Comics as a very young kid. The FF going up against Doom with the power cosmic stolen from the Surfer. So great! Marvel also did a funny spoof of that story in Not Brand Echh. God, Lee/Kirby were great, especially when Jack was inked by “Joltin'” Joe Sinnot.

The only ones on my list not represented here are FF 278-279 (which I guess is technically a Kristoff story, but I do very much like Byrne’s retelling of Doom’s origin) and #116 where the FF recruit Doom to help fight the Overmind. Some bad-ass Doom-ness in that one.

And I put Unthinkable on my list, but these reactions maybe make me think I should re-read it and see why it’s so horrendous. I just liked lots about it, like the shocking prologue with Valeria where power trumps love and the fact the Richards baby’s first word is Doom. Lots of evil fun.

And I also have never tracked down Triumph and Torment but have been meaning to for years.

Great list! Love it! I also might have thrown in the time Doom and DD switched bodies, unless it’s part of that FF story and it just isn’t mentioned above.

I would have been upset if Triumph and Torment had not made the list.

But no love for What If volume 1 issue 22? “What if Dr. Doom had become a hero?”

Bummer – the Squirrel Girl story didn’t even make the top 15…

…and Billy, for what it’s worth, What If (v1) #22 was no. 7 or 8 on my list.

The funny thing about attributing the “noble fascist” schtick to Byrne is that, in that single-issue story mentioned above, Byrne clearly makes Doom out to be an unreliable narrator. His self-styled “nobility” is contradicted at every turn by his actions, culminating in him physically abusing a child for alluding to the possibility that he, Doom, might have an equal. (This would be the same child Doom adopted as his ward after promising his dying mother he would always care for the boy, and who, just issues later, was brainwashed into a complete mental copy of Doom and sent as a last beyond-the-grave revenge strike at the Fantastic Four after Doom’s supposed death. Jean Valjean he is not.)

All of you who are so smitten with this image of Doom as the noble fascist…please go read FF#84-87.

It’s nice to see Triumph & Torment at the top!

Nah, other Michael, that was just more hateful character assassination by an untalented hack. The idea that there’s no such thing as a noble fascist (and especially that there’s anything ignoble about being a narcissistic and vindictive loner who’s really smarter and better than your more successful peers and will prove it when you rule the world one day) is an obvious fallacy and deserves no consideration whatsoever.

I’m really looking forward to “The Best Magneto Stories of All Time.”

Secret Wars 10 and 11 are essentially what sold me on Doctor Doom as a character. Instead of a chance to crush his enemies, he decides to take on a God. And succeeds. That’s the most badass thing I can think of: attacking God. While some of the other stories are excellent, Secret Wars is my number one

I’m really looking forward to “The Best Magneto Stories of All Time.”

Or looking backward to it, as the case may be.


(Not that irony’s in short supply in that particular comment, I realize.)

Damn you, buttler. I had successfully scrubbed that thread from my brain-meats!

I’m sick to death of “revisionism”, but Books of Doom is really quite good.

I envy you that. Welcome back to the hell of remembering that thread, lest we are doomed to repeat it.

I don’t really see why people can’t like Doom as the noble fascist (which I do, I loved Byrne’s take on him in his run) and still like him being evil (which I also like, and which Byrne also acknowledged in his run, as mentioned above).

I don’t think people love the noble fascist idea because they believe it’s a good thing, it’s just more interesting than a straight-up violent, destructive lunatic, and can present interesting moral quandries where ends might appear to justify the means (as explored in item #5 on the list, where Doom’s absence has resulted in disaster).

And it continues to be interesting when something like Kristoff’s questioning sets him off and he does go over the deep end and become a violent lunatic…showing any seeming “nobility” in Doom is a very fragile thing that takes a back seat to his own ego and lust for power.

Exactly, dhole. Liking the noble fascist idea has got nothing to do with thinking that it makes Doom a better person, or that nobility somehow trumps fascism. It’s about the fact that a multi-layered character has more storyline potential.

If Doom’s only goals are “get power, defeat Reed Richards”, you can predict exactly what choice he’s going to make in any situation whatsoever. Boring. If his goals are “get power, defeat Reed Richards, protect Latveria, try to convince everybody of his own nobility”, then you introduce a storytelling tension. Will Doom take the choice that’s best for Latveria, or is his lust for power too strong? Does he care enough about Kristoff to accept the help of the Fantastic Four if they’re the only ones who can save him? Is he really working together with the heroes because it’s in their mutual interest, or is it all a scam? Will he actually keep his word of honour this time, or stab the good guys in the back again? I like those kind of plot questions to be genuine dilemmas that a good writer could spin in either direction, not a foregone conclusion that anybody over the age of four can tell the heroes are complete morons for not seeing.

It’s not about some belief that a handful of more positive traits cancel out all the bad and make Doom a good person. It’s about keeping storylines fresh and allowing for some uncertainty over how he’s going to move in any given situation.

I’ve read about half of those here, and man, they were awesome.

One thing about the Waid/Weiringo/Kesel run that I keep wondering about is how Karl Kesel, an established writer in his own right with a well known dream of writing the FF, felt about being called on to ink (which he is awesome at), instead of writing.

Secret Wars 10 and 11 are essentially what sold me on Doctor Doom as a character. Instead of a chance to crush his enemies, he decides to take on a God. And succeeds. That’s the most badass thing I can think of: attacking God. While some of the other stories are excellent, Secret Wars is my number one

Mine too. The first time I ever read Secret Wars I came to the realization that even if it was supposed to be nothing more than a silly toy line tie-in, what it did was solidify Doom as, if not the smartest guy in the room, then certainly the guy who thinks outside the box and will never be told what can and cannot be done.

On that same token, I have noticed a couple mentions of What If…? #22 as having been voted for this poll, and although I left that one off my list, my #2 choice was What If…? (Vol. 2) #70 “What If The Silver Surfer Had Not Betrayed Galactus?” Somehow it is not far fetched that if Galactus did indeed destroy Earth, that Doom would find a way to survive and then rally the charge to go chasing down Galactus afterwards.

And one story I stupidly, stupidly left off my list is the “Fantastic Four: World’s Greatest Comics Magazine” maxi-series from around 2001-02. Doom acquiring the Cosmic Cube and stealing Galactus power just feels entirely appropriate to his character – always thinking big. All of the art, especially that of Ron Frenz, is uncannily Kirby-esque too.

Great list! Love it! I also might have thrown in the time Doom and DD switched bodies, unless it’s part of that FF story and it just isn’t mentioned above


That was Daredevil #37-38. Great story!

People seem to be confusing the word “noble” with “virtuous.” They’re really two very different things.

A person can be (or at least perceive himself as) noble (and it’s a major point that Doom’s supposed nobility is, in fact, largely self-proclaimed and self-promoted) and still be a complete evil a**hole. Nobility is less about what someone does than it is about how and why he does it. History is filled with “noblemen” who committed all kind of atrocities. But because they were committed in defense of their country or in service to their god or their king, they were able to rationalize their actions as honorable and just. The people they murdered, raped, or forcibly displaced, however, would likely disagree. I think Doom fits in quite nicely with that bunch.

7 of my 10 made it. The other three were:

“When Doom Defaults!” from Damage Control (1989) #2 – Priest’s response to the $200 Luke Cage story. Damage Control accepts a debt collection job, targeting Doom!

Iron Man #250 – the first sequel to Doomquest; Iron Man vs Dr Doom in Camelot… in the future!

My top vote, the only one neither on, nor springing out of, the list of winners:

Priest’s “Masks” from Marvel Double-Shot #2.

It’s only half an issue long but punches ***way*** above its weight. Apparently it’s available from something called Marvel Digital. I can’t recommend it highly enough. I can’t be the only one to have voted for it, can I?

the plot sounds a lot like a much older storyline from Super-Villain Team Up, where Doom takes over the world by saturating the atmosphere with some kind of mind-controlling gas. Magneto iss (for some reason) the only person immune to it, and he uses his powers to free the Beast from Magneto’s control and the two of them set out to take Doom down. The ending had a great ironic twist. (And, if memory serves, that story was also drawn by Bob Hall.)

That was the crossover with the Champions. SVTU #14 and Champions #16, IIRC. Yes, it was Bob Hall! I had that on my Greatest Bill Mantlo stories list!

I had uncanny x-men 145-147 on my list, the doom/storm dynamic was really interesting and one of the first times doom seemed like a really fleshed out character.

@Bill K – I voted for Masks, though it was only my #9 choice. I think Iron Maiden had it on her list as well. Definitely a great little tale. I guess it’s just not as widely known as it deserves, sadly.

The same goes for my other choice that didn’t get in, “My Dinner With Doom” from the Dwayne McDuffie Fantastic Four Special. That was great, although I suppose in some ways it’s more a Reed story than a Doom story.

Also a bit disappointed to see Books of Doom didn’t place any higher. I love that mini. It did a great job expanding on the origin without stepping on the toes of the older versions.

Don’t blame me; I voted for Richards.

You have to be of a particular sort of intelligence to write Dr. Doom. Try reading 2002’s Doom series by Dixon. Blech! Now Claremont’s Hero’s Reborn Doom was Magnificent, and shouls have been on this list. And why the frack wasn’t their any of Warren Ellis’s Doom 2099 included? I didn’t vote so I shouldn’t complain, but if any series should be collected, it is this one.
PS. Not dogging Dixon, he’s written some fine series, but aside from Byrne, Simonson, Claremont, Michelinie, Lee and Hickman (I’ve not read the Stern GN) not too many grasp his character. Hence the doombots….

And here I thought everyone would vote for The Mighty Avengers #11 and Black Panther #19.

To Michael P,
You should read about Oliver Cromwell’s reign in Great Britain to understand how horrible a “Noble Fascist” can be. Hitler is noble, if you believe his point of view, but objectivly you should under stand that he is a monster. The writers who convey this complexity to Doom, are the ones who’s stories I prefer. You can love his charisma and want to love him, but understand that his singular vision will, to the masses, lead to suffering.

“And driven by his sheer willpower, Doom was able to temporarily take over.”

This isn’t entirely true. Willpower certainly plays a part, but he actually defeats the Beyonder with his intellect and by playing possum.

To recap: Dr. Doom has stolen Galactus’ powers. His mental faculties expanded, he comes up with a failsafe device which could defeat the Beyonder and steal his power as well. He builds a new set of armor with the device hidden in the chest piece. Doom only briefly mentions this device and where it’s hidden before teleporting to the Beyonder’s realm. Once there, Doom unleashes his awesome cosmic might with little result. He is badly beaten and the Beyonder drops his guard to come in close to examine/dissect his opponent. Near death, Doom uses his last strength to reach for the chest piece which is tantilizingly close…and he defeats the Beyonder, claiming his godlike power.

The device is never shown, it’s never made clear what it does or even how Doom is able to reach or use it.

I love Byrne’s Doom and Waid’s Unthinkable (and Authorative Action), too. Go figure.

And let the pissing and moaning about Unthinkable ruining Doom’s “noble fascist” schtick… begin.

Preemptively pissing and moaning about anticipated pissing and moaning is becoming far more annoying on the internet than the usual pissing and moaning.

I most of these. Good list.

Hey, I made the big time…trolled by Brian in one of his poll results! :-)

I sincerely hope all of you who haven’t read Triumph & Torment can track down a copy. It’s one of the best comics I’ve ever read.

I’ll stick up for “Unthinkable” on the following grounds:

– It was a damn scary story. Weiringo’s visuals and Waid’s ideas were visceral, unpleasant, and gut-wrenching. I really felt for the FF, as Doom got further under their skin than he ever had. The story succeeded in being a nasty, freaky affair with dire repercussions.

– Doom may view himself as a noble leader by virtue of his intelligence and power, but he treats people as means to his ends. No one, in his mind, is better than he; therefore, no one has nearly as much worth. His ex-love, Kristoff, fellow villains, allies… tools and pawns, nothing more. Doom may think he loves Latveria, but only as a posession.

Also, issue 236 was great, but it pisses me off that Jack Kirby’s picture was taken off the cover.

The Luke Cage story at #2? Really? I love a cute internet meme like “Where’s my money, honey?” as much as the next guy, but c’mon, people.

Preemptively pissing and moaning about anticipated pissing and moaning is becoming far more annoying on the internet than the usual pissing and moaning.

In this instance, the exact complaint referenced showed up soon after the comment about how it was bound to show up.

“The Luke Cage story at #2? Really?”

Nope, not even a little bit. Look again. It’s listed as number one, actually, not two, but then the very next line of text declares it’s a gag.

In this instance, the exact complaint referenced showed up soon after the comment about how it was bound to show up.

That’s my point. If it’s a discussion board and people have a strong sentiment that’s on-topic, positive or negative, they’re going to make it. That’s why I think it’s useless to try to preemptively shame people from negative responses. Like every Spider-Man marriage-related post I know is going to bring out ONe More Day haters. No amount of preemptive shaming is going to stop that, it’s just the nature of the beast.

Even with 15 stories, half of my list didn’t make the cut.

In particular my #1: Super Villain Team-Up #14!!

Dr. Doom conquers the entire world and only Magneto is left to oppose him.!

Ah well. So it goes.

To those who are interesting in obtaining Triumph and Torment (and why have you been waiting so long! ), your best option is eBay. I got it years ago at a reasonable price for the hardcover. I think Marvel’s GNs from the late 1980’s were sort of orphaned. Some stores didn’t stock them and I don’t recall that much in house promotion for them. And keep asking Tom Brevoort about it on Formspring. Someone did they other day and he seems to be interesting in getting it back in print.

Roger Stern talks about his work on the project here
And a longer interview here where he talks about getting the idea from Gerry Conway’s story in Astonishing Tales #8 “Though Some Call it Magic”. The part where he talks about the GN is on page 3 of this rather extensive interview

“Though Some Call it Magic ” was reprinted in the Super-Villain Team up Essentials but better yet, Marvel’s tribute comic to Gene Colan features it in full color. Ed Brubaker nominated as an example of Gene Colan’s work that he admired.

Also by Gerry Conway in Astonishing Tales #7 he finishes a two part story started by Stan’s brother Larry Leiber in AT #6 of the first time Doom fought with the Black Panther over the vibranium. That 12 page story is probably better than most of Doomwar. ;-)

It says something about Doctor Doom as a character that he inspires such interesting interpretations by various writers, and such passionate responses among readers.

Myself, I have to agree with the viewpoint that Doom, like most real-world criminals and dictators, does not see himself as “evil.” He rationalizes his actions, and does his very best to convince both himself and the whole world that he is a good, noble man. But in the end, he is driven purely by ego, by the selfish pursuit of power. His “nobility” will last only so long as it is convenient. But if honorable behavior becomes an obstacle to a goal he is striving for, there is a very good chance that he will cast it aside without a thought, and commit monstrous actions.

I think Nomadic Writer summed up what makes Doom so interesting. He is just so unpredictable… and that is a huge part of what makes him so incredibly dangerous. You never know if and/or when he is going to stab you in the back.

I would add Marvel Super-Heroes Presents #20: Doctor Doom to that list or at least an honourable mention. I believe it’s the first solo Dr. Doom story ever and it introduces a love interest for Dr. Doom and that has also been mined for use in more recent comics.

If I had voted on this his first issue where the Thing becomes Blackbeard and FF annual #2 would have vied for the top spot. I think the FF annual #2 is the perfect origin for Doom. I’m glad they canceled that teenage Doom series, I prefer that they not tinker with his origin.

FF #258 (Interlude) to me is only part 1 of a great story featuring Terrax that includes 259-260, so I voted it as such. I really don’t see how you can vote for only the beginning of a story and not the whole thing. I love how Doom tries to stop the fight simply because Reed is not there to be vanquished and ends up helpless and paralyzed after Terrax fries his armor.

Glad to see Triumph & Torment in first place where it belongs, and my #2 Doomquest in a good spot.
But disappointed that the team-up of Doom and Namor in FF #6 didn’t make it. I guess it comes off a bit silly for modern audiences.

I will have to track a couple of those other stories.

Just to add to Mike Loughlin’s comment about Jack Kirby not being on FF #236’s cover. If you look it at, there is a slot next to Stan where he would have been. As I recall, John Byrne had drawn him on the cover but when Kirby found out, he asked to be removed. I suspect he was still ticked off at Marvel about his art at that point.

Excellent posts by nomadic writer and dhole about the noble Doom. To add a bit more….I find it odd that some object to this since it really adds more depth to the character and elevates him beyond just a garden variety super villain. I love that Doom is filled with these contradictions and it makes him far more compelling.

Read Stan and Jack’s FF origin story again and there are some very sympathetic elements to it and one gets the sense that they are going more for nurture instead of nature. The world was a harsh place for the young Victor von Doom and he had to fight just to survive. It’s not to hard to see that Claremont took that template to Magneto in giving him a back story. The frequently irascible Byrne even called it a half-assed version of Doctor Doom. ;-)

I love that cover to Secret Wars #10. I could stare at it all day. In fact, I think I did when I was ten.

RE: the cover to Secret Wars #10

I recall seeing that at the LCS . We readers were so used to seeing the more impervious Doom armor that it really caught your attention.

Nomadic writer knows we’ve discussed this in the appreciation thread but I think Secret Wars is where Doom er reaches a second peak in his arc as a character. IMO the first happens when he steals the Power Cosmic and extends to Fantastic Four #116. New writers like Gerry Conway and Roy Thomas were building upon his back story and Archie Goodwin gave us a defiantly heroic version in the fight against the Overmind. Gerry Conway gave him the annual ritual to bargain for the release of his mother’s soul from the Netherworld. Conway also gave us nice character piece in the Sub-Mariner arc where he “requests” Namor’s aid in obtaining the Cosmic Cube but for a reason that is rather surprising. Then Doom sort of runs off the rails a bit until his complete mental breakdown in FF#200.

The road back is lead by the first Iron Man time travel story and Byrne’s taking over the Fantastic Four and this is where he regains prominence and becomes the key player in Secret Wars. Once he gets replaced by Kristoff in Latveria there is a protracted period of time when he sort of wanders about trying to get his throne back. It would have made for a good story had Byrne stayed at Marvel but he left before he could complete it. It wasn’t until Simonson came along on the FF that things were set to right in issue #350.

I remember loving Marv Wolfman’s run on FF when I was a little kid, culminating with that great FF #200. Actually, everything he did at Marvel was great back then. I think that he co-created Nova and that original series will always have a fond place in my heart. Of course, DC stole him away from Marvel. Whatever happened to him after that?????

I think the entire “One Nation Under Doom” storyline from Doom 2099 #28 – 35 was just phenomenal…and so underrated…..


Spot on

I enjoyed 352 until it was ruined (for me) by using a typical time travel screw up of having future Reed get Reed out of a trap. Future Reed himself would not have been free in order to rescue himself, if he hadn’t himself been rescued by his future self.

I love the early issues of Astonishibg Tales, mostly for Wally Wood’s artistic take on Doom.

Mark me down as another disappointed by the lack of Warren Ellis’ Doom 2099 on the list. I just read the complete story and it’s absolutely brilliant. Extra points for the PJ Harvey and Nick Cave references!

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