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Comic Book Legends Revealed #346

Welcome to the three hundredth and forty-sixth in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. This week, examine the odd history of Snake-Eyes and just what role Larry Hama played in his creation! Plus, what popular teen-themed comic strip backed away from having a gay character over fear of possible controversy? Also, what exactly happened to the unused Superboy TV scripts from the 1960s?

Click here for an archive of the previous three hundred and forty-five.

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: Snake-Eyes was based on Larry Hama’s design for a Nick Fury outfit.

STATUS: False

Today we finished our countdown (based on YOUR votes) of the Top 50 Most Memorable Covers of the Marvel Age. Here is #50-26 and here is #25-1. Coming in at #10 on the list is this classic Nick Fury cover by the great Jim Steranko…

A reader wrote in about the cover asking if Larry Hama used this cover as the basis for Snake-Eyes’ design in the original G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero toy line from the early 1980s.

I would imagine that this is likely based on the true legend (which I covered waaaaaay back in this old installment of Comic Book Legends Revealed here) that much of Marvel’s pitch to Hasbro for the development of the storyline behind the new G. I. Joe line was, in fact, based on a Nick Fury pitch that Hama had been working on for Marvel, the so-called “Fury Force.”

However, while the folks at Marvel developed the STORY behind G.I. Joe and even went so far as to make suggestions as to what KIND of characters to make (Marvel pushed them to make female figures and villain figures, something Hasbro was wary about at first), it was the toy designers at Hasbro that actually designed all of the toys. They then would give the designs to Marvel (Hama in particular) to come up with back stories to fit the designed character.

In the case of Snake-Eyes, his initial design came about as somewhat of an accident. In an attempt to save money on paint detailing for the line of figures, the Snake-Eye figure was just unpainted black plastic.

Thanks to to the good folks at YoJoe.com, here is what Snake-Eyes looked like back then (note that even his grenades are black)…

Hama had a somewhat similar character in his Fury Force pitch, but the design was not really all that close to the above figure – Hama clearly then adapted Snake-Eyes to the broad strokes of his Fury Force character who “had his face covered with a cowl and was a mysterious assassin type.” That’s what Hama did with most of the early characters – try to meld them as best as he could with the characters he had already created for Fury Force.

Hama was the one who wrote all the file cards for the toys and he is the one who developed all of their personalities (and he was who really made Snake-Eyes cool…

), but the actual design of the figures was handled by the good folks at Hasbro. Commenter TrueJoeKnowledge said that specifically it was Hasbro designer/artist Ron Rudat who designed Snake-Eyes (and most of the original G.I. Joe characters). Thanks, TrueJoeKnowledge!

Thanks to commenter “some stupid japanese name” for the question! Thanks to Thomas Wheeler for the interesting information about the paint job on Snake-Eyes. And, of course, thanks to YoJoe.com for the picture! Also, a shout out to Richard J. Marcej, who answered “some stupid japanese name”‘s question before I could put it aside for future use.

COMIC LEGEND: Greg Evans backed away from having a gay character in Luann because of his worries over possible backlash.

STATUS: I’m Going With True

Luann is a charming comic strip by Greg Evans about a teenage girl named, shockingly enough, Luann. It debuted in 1986. For the first decade or so, the apple of Luann’s eye was Aaron Hill, one of the cutest (if not THE cutest) boys in her grade.

Well, in 1997, Evans seemed like he was possibly heading in the direction of revealing that Aaron was gay. Here are a few strips from this time period…

Heck, one of Luann’s friends even suggests that could be the case…

In the end, it turned out that Aaron was interested in an older woman (I think they were supposed to be roughly 13 or so and he was into an 18 year old).

At the time, Evans noted that if he had Aaron be gay, it might cost him many of his 300 clients, something he could not afford, unlike Lynn Johnston when she suffered the loss of clients after she had a friend of one of her characters in For Better or For Worse come out. He said that his syndicate warned him of the consequences, but allowed him to make the final call.

Evans even said at the time, “I wish I had the freedom that other forms of media do to explore all kinds of stories, but I don’t.”

As Aaron continued with various relationships over the years, Evans eventually more or less wrote him out of the strip by having him move to Hawaii.

Around this time, Evans participated in a chat with Washington Post readers. Here’s one of the questions:

Provincetown, Mass.: Mr. Evans, You’ve tackled a lot of controversial topics in your strip (drugs, Luann’s first period, etc.) Do you think you’ll ever do a storyline on gays or gay marriage, since it’s so much in the news these days? I remember how much grief Lynn Johnston got when she introduced her gay character in “For Better or Worse.” But it seems like gays are the only “politically correct” prejudice in high schools. I think it would be great if you would tackle this one, too.

Greg Evans: There are several “touchy” topics I’d love to explore in Luann but can’t risk. For Better Or For Worse is in about 2500 papers. I’m only in 400. Lynn can afford to lose a few clients. I can’t.

So, while I surely cannot say that Evans would have had Aaron come out if it were not for the accompanying controversy, it seems clear that Evans would have had some sort of gay character in his strip if it were not for the controversy. It’s a shame that he is put into such a position where he really can’t take a risk writing a story that he would otherwise like to write.

Do make a point of checking the Luann comic strip out. You can find it here.

COMIC LEGEND: Unused Superboy TV scripts ended up as Superboy comic book stories.

STATUS: True

A few weeks back, Comic Book Legends Revealed dealt with the early 1960’s Superboy TV series that failed to make it past the pilot stage.

However, while we were unable to see the scripts for the show appear on the air, we DID get to see them!

You see, Whitney Ellsworth must have been a proponent of “Waste not, want not,” because the unused scripts for the Superboy TV series were then used as Superboy stories in the early 1960s!

Here’s a snippet from the pilot, “Rajah’s Ransom” (that was filmed but never aired)…

And here’s a snippet from another unused TV script “One Man Team”…

Does anyone know for sure what other of the TV scripts later became comic book stories?

Thanks to commenters Herb Finn and Fraser for reminding me about the recycling DC did with the Superboy scripts!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

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53 Comments

Bolstering a father’s reputation and a theater’s profits…Superboy must’ve had a lot of spare time that week. No wars, famines, or plagues for him!

I forgot that the Kents once ran a general store. How long has it been since that was part of the canon?

Only commenting on this because it’s in the first sentence and you do it every week…

If you’re going to fully write-out the installment number, please learn how to write numbers or hire an editor for this piece.

This is the three hundred forty sixth installment.

“Hundredth” is 1/100th. We’re not talking fractions. The word “and” is only used to denote the decimal point. Again, there are no fractions here, so no need for a decimal point.

Ok I got my grammar nazi out of the way.

Grammar Nazi forgot to add the hyphen in “forty-sixth.” Muphry’s Law: whenever you correct someone on grammar, you yourself make a grammar mistake.

I learned it without the hyphen. If you Google around you’ll find that’s fairly common. But if you want to call it a mistake, fine.

The real point is that the number in the article is grossly wrong and has been for hundreds of articles for years and years, and it just got to the bursting point. If he was just missing a hyphen, it wouldn’t bug me as much.

Perhaps if Aaron Hill had kept his eyes off the ladies, he could have remained one of baseball’s premier second basemen… Well, continued luck to him in Arizona, but we want Johnny Mac back for Christmas. Really, it’s the least a Jays fan can wish for after the Yu Darvish debacle.

@Rob Schmidt:
Ever since Superboy punched a hole through logic/respect for DC readers.

The Snake-Eyes piece reminds me of a story I had heard several years ago (and even e-mailed Mr. Cronin about…)

Supposedly, some of the original Image characters were created by Todd McFarlane and Jim Lee as a failed relaunch/reboot of the G.I.Joe books that would have crossed over with Larry Ham’s run on Wolverine.

Don’t know if it’s true or not, but interesting…

The Kent’s general store was retconned out when “Crisis On Infinite Earths” happened. But following the events of “Our Worlds At War”, there were some plans to move the Kents into a new house and take over the general store in town. But that didn’t last long and the Kents were back to the status quo after Superman #200.

@Grammar Nazi – believe me, I think you’ll love the video.

http://youtu.be/QmlyxqVxVxQ

I’m not surprised about the Luann item. I suppose some readers would think Evans a bit of a coward for his decision, but it is the sort of thinking that goes into any commercial project.
The FBOFW coming out run wasn’t that long ago, but I wonder if times have changed enough that Evans could try that story now–filling in some other Luann suitor or other castmember?

Grammer Nazi – I think if you are not satisfied with the service here you should demand a full refund. Oh wait – everything on this blog is free!! Who cares if there are some grammatical errors here and there. The articles are great and very informative. You come across as being very unappreciative of all the research and work that goes into this site. If it bothers you that much go somewhere else. If itis simply a suggestion, send it to the moderator directly instead of posting your petty criticism for all to see. “Oooooooh – he found a grammatical error. He must be so much smarter than the rest of us.”. C’mon – have a little class.

“If I rush in, he’ll keep firing and some of the bullets might bounce off me and hit someone! I’ll wait until he uses up all his ammunition”

Am I the only one who failed to understand Superboy’s logic here?

There was an awful lot of organized crime in Smallville back in the 1950s when one considers the population.

some stupid japanese name

December 23, 2011 at 11:46 am

When I saw that my comment was being held for moderation, I thought, “jeez, how was that offensive? I didn’t mean for it be.”

I don’t think a hyphen is needed for ‘write out’. Also, inane & derailling pedants should make like Snake Eyes and keep mum.

Those old Superboy stories sure make me nostalgic. Thanks!!

I’m not surprised about the Luann item. I suppose some readers would think Evans a bit of a coward for his decision, but it is the sort of thinking that goes into any commercial project.
The FBOFW coming out run wasn’t that long ago, but I wonder if times have changed enough that Evans could try that story now–filling in some other Luann suitor or other castmember?

That’a what fascinated me about him re-visiting the concept (and the fact that he didn’t think he could do it) in 2004. That was over a decade after the For Better of Worse “outing,” and he was still worried. So I doubt anything has changed much since 2004 (or maybe you’re right – maybe things HAVE gotten noticeably better, it IS nearly eight years later).

I remember the For Better or For Worse “coming out” storyline running in 1993. According to the wikipedia article on the strip, one hundred papers either canceled the strip or ran replacement strips– and both Lynn Johnston and her family received death threats– and she received similarly hostile responses with other subsequent storylines featuring Lawrence.

So while I can admire Johnston’s bravery (especially in light of her willingness to return to the character) it is hard for me to fault Evans for not wanting to put himself at similar risk.

Grammar Nazi is wrong.

“Three-hundredth” is correct for 300th. “Three hundred and forty-sixth” is correct for 346th.

One thing I really enjoy about comics from back in the day, like this Superboy story, is the amount of dialogue. It’s loaded with dialogue. Plus, each frame still has a lot of art.

In present day comics I buy, for the most part, dialogue seems to take a back seat to art which I think is too bad. Great art cannot carry a poor story.

Did the Man of Steel mini-series explicitly say the Kents DIDN’T run a store? I think the store just sort of disappeared without anyone’s noticing it.

Superboy could use his faster-than-light trick to solve the world’s greatest mysteries and crimes. I wonder why he rarely if ever used the technique.

Of course, filming light rays in the middle of space using a 1940s-era movie camera is a bit tricky.

Regarding Snake Eyes’ design, another cost-cutting measure in the toys is that most of the first run of figures are rearrangements of 4-5 different parts. Snake Eyes has unique thighs and head, but his boots are the same as Flash & Grand Slam; his torso is shared with Stalker, Hawk, Breaker and Grunt; the arms are used for Grunt, Stalker, Hawk, Short Fuze; and the waist piece appears on everybody except Scarlett and the Cobras.

This made it easy to have new characters in that first year. Grand Slam is just Flash with Grunt’s head, and black boots & gloves instead of brown. Hawk is Grunt with Flash’s head, and silver details.

Wasn’t Aaron Hill written out of the Luann strip after some sort of reader poll where the readers picked him as the character Luann should date?

Why is it sooooo important that sodomite relationships be in comic strips in newspapers? Those are for kids to read. Leave them alone and stop pushing political agendas onto them, of any stripe. While I’m not a fan of that in comic books, either, those are for an older audience and already have a much more mature readership.

@GreatOne. Why is it sooooo important to shelter children from the real word? Like it or not (clearly you don’t) gay people exist in reality. Just because you can’t wrap your bigoted ignorant mind around the fact that some people prefer different lifestyle than yours doesn’t mean that artist should ignore a group of people and not put them in comics. Stop feeling threatened by people who are different than you and you’ll live a much happier life.

Yep, kids are all over Doonesbury, Rex Morgan, Mary Worth and Judge Parker. I remember how thrilled I would get as a child wondering if Nancy would fit into a swimsuit this year.

Kids, the comic page is clearly aimed only at them.

Pride=AbsenceOfShame

December 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm

@GreatOne

It is “sooooo important” that same-sex relationships (not going to include YOUR obvious political agenda here) appear in ALL media, even ones that are geared toward kids, because there ARE gay, lesbian, bisexual and, yes, transgendered kids out there.

I was one of them. And I survived several suicide attempts to be here today to explain this to you.

It’s important that our stories appear because, whether or not you like it, we are a part of the world too. We are a part of your families and your communities. And we always have been. Just as it shapes a straight kid’s world to see stories that reflect who they are and who they wish to be, stories shape the world of LGBT children too, for better or worse.

The biggest issue that most LGBT kids deal with is that they believe, erroneously, that they are the ONLY ones in the world who are like them or who have their feelings (something that ALL kids feel about something at some point in their young lives). Seeing the story of someone else who is also gay (even a fictional character appearing in a non-sexual story) provides the truth to LGBT kids that they are not alone in the world. Stories provide the truth that, despite the beliefs of some, there is nothing wrong with an orientation to the same sex. That sense of truth and community ties them to the world and in many cases prevents those kids from leaving the world prematurely. It saves lives. THAT’s why it’s important that LGBT relationships appear in all media.

I remember that Luann sequence, and I really thought that Evans was leading toward making Aaron Hill — who had spent years being an “unseen character” before appearing shortly before this series — gay. I was a bit let down when the alternate explanation came up. It’s sad that even in 1997, much less today, that a gay character would’ve caused such a fuss.

I would’t have stopped reading Luann over a gay character. What did make me stop is when Evans gave Luann a semi-sexy makeover and all the boys (who had avoided her until then) suddenly wanted a piece of her.

TrueJoeKnowledge

December 23, 2011 at 4:45 pm

Snake Eyes was designed by the man who created most all of the iconic designs for G.I. Joe and Cobra characters.

The great Hasbro designer & artist Ron Rudat.

The infamous “Superman squeezing coal into diamonds” scene- that caused credibility problems even by the standards of the Silver Age.

Brian, would you please tell us the comic from which these panels were taken?

By the way, being British, I would say “Three hundred and forty-sixth”.

So could Hama have gotten away with a gay Snake Eyes pre-Dont Ask Don’t Tell?

Michael wrote:
The infamous “Superman squeezing coal into diamonds” scene- that caused credibility problems even by the standards of the Silver Age.

But not as infamous as the JLA scene where he turned a diamond alien into coal by “rubbing him the wrong way!”

Thank you for mentioning Luann in this article. It has been a while since I’ve had the time to enjoy the daily comic strips like I used to, but Luann was one that I looked forward to daily. And I do remember the Aaron Hill storyline at that time. I’m wondering if where the Luann strip is published is what makes Evans concerned, even in more recent times. If a majority, or even a significant minority of papers that publish it are in areas that wouldn’t…appreciate the storyline, I can understand his concern. It’s a shame, though. He did tackle other issues, and in very creative, entertaining, but also educational ways.

And, I agree with others. When reading it at the time, it made sense to suggest Aaron was gay. When it was revealed that he wasn’t, I felt a little let down, because I thought it was a missed opportunity at a good storyline. But, I continued to be a fan.

I find it hard to believe that the first Superboy excerpt shown here, “The Saddest Boy in Smallville” from Superboy #88 (April 1961), is directly based on an unused TV script as it is a scene-for-scene, nearly panel-for-panel retelling of “The Loneliest Boy in Town” from Superboy #49 (June 1956). Such retellings were a common practice during Mort Weisinger’s tenure as Superman group editor. As near as I can tell, the only part that may have come from the TV script is the bit about the crooks stealing a rajah’s jewels (the crooks are bank robbers in the ’56 original).

The phrase “sodomite relationship” as opposed to “gay relationship” is pretty telling; from what I recall of my childhood kids usually wouldn’t visualize any sexual act, gay or straight, thinking of it as “icky”. I suspect if you introduced a gay character most kids would take it on the “wants to date the same sex” level and maybe some would giggle immaturely because they’re, well, immature but would otherwise leave it at that. High school is different but by then most students will have figured out that there’s gay people without any help from Luann (perhaps some will have figured it out from Archie Comics which seems to be doing fine with the addition of a gay character). I wouldn’t want to kids to be exposed to intercourse of any sort in a newspaper strip, but we’re pretty far away from that happening.

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Mikes Ayers,

Even if he was asked, Snake Eyes wouldn’t have told. Dude wasn’t exactly a chatterbox.

For some reason, I keep envisioning Snake Eyes using Wile E. Coyote type signs to talk…

@Awinst01 – I don’t see how “grammar nazi” did anything wrong. He wasn’t being mean-spirited about it, he just saw an error and took the time to point it out. If anything, that proves that he cares about this column. If I were writing a feature here and was making some error on a regular basis I’d certainly welcome the feedback.

Seeing others trying to infer something negative where there was seeingly no intent (I can’t speak to anyone’s intent but my own) in order to cast negative light on the poster is like watching the Special Olympics of discussion. Gold medals to all who need help with reading skills badly, with a dash of trying to be a message board troll in only the most innocuous thread.

Ed – mean-spirited or not, “learn how to write numbers or hire an editor for this piece” is kind of a dickish leg to lead on.

Ed-z: I agree totally with Sean (as I suspect you would assume to be the case). If I am wrong, I am wrong. But help me understand: WHy would someone who is only trying to be helpful post such a comment for everyone to see? Why did the nazis feel he had to make a public statement over a grammatical error? It comes across as though he is trying to one-up the moderator. Again, I feel he should consider sending such comments to the moderator directly instead of posting them for all to see. I have no problem with helpful advice when given in a gracious spirit. Bottom line – it’s Brian’s blog and I am sure he has more patience for this type of thing than I do. Nazis -I don’t agree with you, but you certainly have the right to post your opinion (as do I).

Wow, I got mentioned by name!
As to Superboy, they never specifically stated the Kents didn’t run a general store but in every post-Crisis story I recall, they were shown out on the farm and never in the store.
The Don’t Make Them Gay still crops up: I read a blog entry by a Y/A writer who was informed they couldn’t make one of the supporting characters in their proposed new novel gay. And back in the 1990s, Martha Wells says one of her editors wrote the gay out of one of her supporting characters in “Death of a Necromancer” (she fought back and got it put back in).

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@Robutt Deniro and @Pride=AbsenceOfShame – sad, but expected responses. Because I do not agree with the attempted normalization of a sexual practice into mainstream society, I am a bigot and hateful. No. I simply do not want children to subjected to abnormal relationships and sexual practices. You exposed yourselves by completely ignoring my statement that if comic books (which have to be bought at stores) want to have that behavior in their characters, fine. Your goal is to indoctrinate children about abnormal sexual practices that less than 1% of our society engages in, as well as to make you feel better about yourselves because you unfortunately have the same problem. It’s called a developmental behavioral disorder. Seek counseling. Don’t spread the behavior to others.

so-called GreatOne: I suppose we shouldn’t have black characters in comics either, because they are a minority and do things differently. Wouldn’t want to spread a political agenda that might contribute to the spread of that mind-rotting and immoral jungle music, Jazz, now would we? As a tall hetero male, should I feel threatened by stories about pygmies?

Your use of the term “sodomite characters” is the only statement made about sexual practices (sodomy); you obviously are using it to luridly imply a shocking sexual picture with which to disgust heterosexual readers into taking your side, but the original strip in question is only about why a particular boy isn’t interested in a particular girl. The only off-color reference to sex is in your own prurient remarks. Please get over yourself. Implying that anyone who disagrees with you must also be gay shows you to be immature and ignorant. I think that the cartoonist’s goal was not to “indoctrinate children” or “spread gayness” but to, gasp, tell interesting stories! You try writing a daily strip sometime, it’s not easy!

It’s true that American newspaper comics and even political editorial cartoons are generally held to a very all-ages-safe standard to be read around breakfast tables all over, and that very little sex or violence is allowed to be shown or implied. That said, a very wide gamut of characters has been represented, including many instances of human-alien romance (Superman), different species of animals dating each other (Pogo), inter-racial couples (Doonesbury), gunfights (Dick Tracy & Fearless Fosdick) as well as violent swordplay and beheadings (Prince Valiant, though never on-panel). I have no desire to see sex portrayed overtly in newspaper comics, but I’ll be damned if I’ll let the sight of two Chinese characters hugging and kissing make me feel threatened in any way. I don’t even like Luann as a strip myself, it’s too much a mix of comedy and soap opera that doesn’t work for me, but I also don’t see any Luann strips which depict any excessively “abnormal relationships and sexual practices,” I’m afraid you brought those with you. Myself, I’ve always kind of assumed that the Riddler was gay, but if he was he would be no less interesting a villain.

Even way back in the 1920’s wasn’t Ignatz Mouse in love with Krazy Kat? He expressed it by throwing bricks at his head, which is kinda kinky, but do yourself a big favor and try not to lose any sleep over it in your bunker. Some of us are just trying to read.

Pedro, I also fail to understand Supreboy’s logic. If he’s just gonna stand there while the other guy spends all his ammo, what reason is there for him to be present at all?

Also, what an asshole kid! “It doesn’t matter how many medals my father won in the war, now he’s not going to get more medals as a Doorman, so I hate him”. I think Superboy would be better off slapping the kid and telling him to shut up.

And, ahem, “GreatOne”: “Because I do not agree with the attempted normalization of a sexual practice into mainstream society, I am a bigot and hateful”. Yes, you just pretty much gave the precise definition. If you don’t agree with other people’s practices just because you don’t like them, even though they don’t harm anyone, you ARE a bigot and hateful. Stop trolling this comment section, please.

Actually, Ganky, you raise a good point about how it was “GreatOne” who introduced prurient content to the discussion with his references to sodomy. How ironic that it is homophobes who always want start discussions about anal sex!

“Grammar Nazi”: as much as I appreciate how much I have learnt about grammar and punctuation by being corrected by writers and editors, might I suggest not using a moniker like “Grammar Nazi?” It is rather trivializing of the experiences of both those who were victimized by and those who fought to defeat Naziism.

Great column, Brian. while that first ‘th’ indeed doesn’t have to be there, it’s no big deal. I say avoid the whole question by not bothering to spell it out – 346th would always be my first choice. (Oh, and GN, a hyphen is definitely needed in ‘forty-sixth’)

It’s brilliant to see those Superboy strips. Regarding Ian Thal’s comment, weren’t they set not in the Fifties, but the late Twenties? I remember it being a bg deal in the late Bronze Age when DC decreed that henceforth the Superboy strips would always trail 16 years behind the Superman series. Suddenly Smallville loved the Beatles!

While there are elements of the unaired SUPERBOY Pilot (Which is an extra on SMALLVILLE series set!) in The Comic Version, the Comic Version is much superior to the pilot!

Christopher Stansfield

January 9, 2012 at 9:44 am

I think it’s rather bizarre that it was considered verboten to have Aaron Hill be gay, but the idea of a 13-year-old in a relationship with an 18-year-old that would be illegal in all fifty states was perfectly fine.

And, to tie up two separate threads in this comment board, I think Grammar Nazi should explain to GreatOne that “sodomite” is not a synonym for “gay.” Sodomites are simply people who engage in sodomy, which includes plenty of heterosexuals I know.

Now if only there were a “Math Nazi” who could also point out that there is no legitimate census that claims that gay people make up “less than 1% of the population.”

I’d wager that a clear majority of couples– hetero- or homosexual– are “sodomites”.
(Great One; at least know the definition of the words you employ in your ridiculous rhetoric).

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