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Comic Book Legends Revealed #349

Welcome to the three hundredth and forty-ninth in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Today, marvel at the bizarre awesomness that is the Adventures of Superpup, discover the background of the X-Men villain S’ym and learn whether Alpha Flight’s Wild Child was intended to be Sabretooth’s son!

Click here for an archive of the previous three hundred and forty-eight.

Let’s begin!

COMIC LEGEND: DC produced a pilot for a series starring little people dressed as dogs as “The Adventures of Superpup.”

STATUS: True

A few weeks back I wrote about Whitney Ellsworth’s attempt to follow up the success of the Adventures of Superman TV series with an Adventures of Superboy TV series in the early 1960s. That, however, was not Ellsworth’s first attempt to follow up The Adventures of Superman’s success.

In 1958, Ellsworth produced a pilot for a new program that actually used the same sets as the Adventures of Superman. Which would make sense, I suppose, as it was the Adventures of…SUPERPUP!

Using little people actors in dog costumes, this series told the story of mild-mannered reporter Bark Bent (yes, Bark Bent!) who worked at the Daily Bugle (even though this pilot never aired on TV, I am still going to assume that Stan Lee somehow used it as the basis for where Spider-Man worked).

His boss there was Terry Bite…

And his love interest (and fellow reporter) was…Pamela Poodle?!?

How do you just name her Pamela Poodle?

I guess that beats the villain, Professor Sheepdip, though…

Here is a black and white shot of Superpup in action…

SOMEHOW, this pilot was not picked up to be made into a series. So very sad.
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COMIC LEGEND: The X-Men villain S’ym was based on Dave Sim.

STATUS: True

Reader R. Lewis asked a question a few months back that I’ve gotten a few times over the years.

What is the history (true or false) behind the rumor that the X-Men character S’ym was based off of Dave Sim’s character, Cerebus??

Dave Sim’s Cerebus the Aardvark began as a parody of Marvel’s Conan the Barbarian comic books…

Over time, it developed into an extremely literate commentary on religion, politics, love, life and everything in between. In the first 40-50 issues, though, the satire tended to be a bit broader and a bit geared more towards comic book culture (not that the comic book satire did not continue as the book continued, it was just much less a feature of the comic).

In Cerebus #24, Sim parodied X-Men writer Chris Claremont…

Roughly a year later, in Uncanny X-Men #160 Claremont and artists Brent Anderson and Bob Wiacek returned the favor by introducing a demon villain named S’ym who vaguely resembles Cerebus…

A few issues later, in the letter pages of Uncanny X-Men #164, they confirmed that it was, indeed, a reference to Cerebus…

There ya go, R. Lewis (and others)!
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COMIC LEGEND: Wild Child was originally intended to be the son of Sabretooth.

STATUS: I’m Going With False

Reader Arthur Kidd wrote in with a bunch of suggestions awhile back, and one of them was that Wild Child was intended to be Sabretooth’s kid.

Wild Child made his debut in a cameo in John Byrne’s Alpha Flight #1…

before making his full debut in Alpha Flight #11…

Sabretooth debuted in Iron Fist #14, written by Chris Claremont and drawn by John Byrne and Dan Green…

There does not seem to be any intent on Byrne’s part, though, to have Wild Child be Sabretooth’s son. In fact, when speaking of Wild Child on his message board a few years back, Byrne noted that he specifically introduced Wild Child withOUT a background in mind. His intent was to have Wild Child be a mysterious character whose background could be filled in later. So Wild Child was definitely not originally intended to be Sabretooth’s son, and in fact, I don’t know if any writer ever decided to fill in that blank over the years, although I would not be surprised at all if someone did.
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54 Comments

My god, did they kill an actual sheepdog and stick its head on a midget to create Dr. Sheepdip?

I think a few of Alpha Flights later writers might have considered making Wild Child Sabretooth’s kid. It was hinted at when Lobdell wrote the title, but then they introduced Wyre (Simon Furman was the writer, I believe) and made Wild Child connected to him in some fashion.

There’s a Marvel Comics Presents story featuring Wolverine and Wild Child that I remember as making that connection without ever actually MAKING the connection. I don’t think the name “Sabretooth” was actually mentioned in any way, just something about Wild Child’s “old man” or some such.

According to whatever idiot wrote that whole Wolverine-Romulus storyline from a while back, Wild Child is descended from Roman god-demons or something stupid.

Any other synonyms for idiotic that I missed?

Oh thank you, I’d done my best to forget the Wyre stuff. No, not a Cable KO at all…..

Pity there wasn’t room (or any point, really) to include one of the greatest puns in comix history, “Sump-Thing”! Thirty years on and it still makes me giggle. Or Prof. Charles X. Claremont’s attempts to train him/it in proper diction. For pure, geeky, glee, those early Cerebus issues are without peer.

>(even though this pilot never aired on TV, I am still going to assume that Stan Lee somehow used it as the basis for where Spider-Man worked).

I’m sure you’re making a joke, but references to the Daily Bugle had been appearing in Marvel books since the 40s, several of them in Stan’s stories.

Those first three panels of Cerebus #24….. a posssible influence on the intro panels of Doomsday anyone? :-)

Sad thing is, AFAIK, all those members of Omega Flight are dead and have stayed dead. (I liked Lil)

And later, Omega Flight was defeated by a VW Bug.

I bet when Geoff Johns joins Marvel, he’ll make Wild Child the son of Sabertooth.

I really can’t believe that they killed Lil off. It seemed so pointless.

Superpup was at one time on YouTube. I beg you, DO NOT WATCH IT! It’s one of the most disturbing things you will ever see.

I do recall Sabretooth leading Wild Child around on a chain in “Age of Apocalypse”, and acting vaguely fatherly, but I’m pretty sure he actually went out of his way to note that it was just some kid who he took care of because he felt some kind of kinship with him.

The panel of Claremont’s peers appear to be Larry, Shemp and Moe (Sym threw a lot of showbiz characters into the mix as well) of a certain comedy trio involving stooges.

On what basis did you decide to “assume” that Stan ripped off the name of the Daily Bugle? By your own admission, it was never aired. Frankly, it was an odd comment to make.

Oh, and I think that Jack Kirby ripped off my design for Thor. I scribbled it down years ago and never showed anyone, but it’s remarkably similar, so I assume Jack must have copied it.

Who is the fourth person in Gamma Flight? I recognize Wild Child, Diamond Lil and Smart Alec while Box and Flashback are in Beta Flight.

I was unsure of the fourth Gamma man.

Even as a child in the 70s, I never understood why lettercols printed full addresses. Much safer and/or naive times, I guess.

This is the second internet site in the last couple of months to point out the Sym/Dave Sim connection. I had no idea (but then again, I didn’t know about Cerebus when I first read those issues.

Did they ever address the fact S’ym could casually snap an adamantium claw? As a kid that scene freaked me out, since that display of power had never been portrayed up to that point (a few years later, Cap’s shield and later Thor’s hammer were broken, and that took the power of the Beyonder and the Celestials, respectively).

Any reason Sym was never shown to have anywhere near that strength level in later appearances?

@Byron, I think that fourth man is supposed to be Madison Jeffires, who doesn’t show up until the issues before Box joins Alpha and Omega returns for their second appearance.

Pretty sure that was supposed to be Madison Jefferies in Gamma Flight also.

The Adventures of Superpup pilot is discussed in the “Look Up in the Sky!” documentary about the Superman mythos that came out during the time when Superman Returns was released. In addition, the pilot itself is included as a bonus feature in the recently released Superman Motion Picture Anthology blu ray set.

dhole: I think S’ym snapping the admantium was left to that it was in Limbo, and things work differently. But that could also be fan speculation…been too long to recall.

Funny.. I never made the S’ym/Sim connection, but as soon as I saw the question, I was like..duh. purple ardvarky demon..of course he is.

Is that mouse puppet in the Bark Bent pic supposed to be Jimmy Olsen?

On Facebook today, Scott Shaw! posted film clips to Superpup. Small world:

Intro – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw6eDkczp00
Part 1 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJnsZrVn0vc&feature=related
Part 2 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1apG9oztI&feature=related

Hard to believe that they passed this up.

Ed (A Different One)

January 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm

S’funny that I had both issues of Cerebus #24 and UXM #160 way back in the day and never knew that the two were connected until just recently.

Still have that now tattered copy of UXM #160 in a longbox somewhere. Wish I still had the Cerebus #24, but that’s long gone. I was pretty young when it came out (my uncle gave me that issue) and I didn’t really know what to make of Cerebus, so I have a vague recollection of trading it or maybe even outright giving it away. I don’t know if it’s valuable at this point but it strikes me as one of those issues that collectors would probably be interested in. Probably more so than UXM #160 anyway.

Oh well, those old Marvel Team-Ups were just more valuable to me back in the day . . .

In X-Men #34 Fabian Nicieza provides further evidence that the intent was to reveal Wild Child as Sabretooth’s son, when Beast & Co. discover Sinister’s complex beneath the State Home for Foundlings in Omaha, Nebraska.

Threnody shows them a chamber in his lab containing genetic material that he uses to clones his Marauders and others.

One of the genetic samples is labelled Kyle Creed.

I had forgotten all about Madison Jeffries–until I Wiki’ed Omega Flight ten minutes ago.

Thanks all.

I haven’t picked up a new comic book in about 20 years, but still enjoy reading about the stuff that I used to love when I was a kid.

I always thought that the introduction of S’ym was more of a response to the Wolveroach ado between Sim and Marvel

ParanoidObsessive

January 13, 2012 at 3:19 pm

“SOMEHOW, this pilot was not picked up to be made into a series. So very sad.”

It was never turned into a full series, but was it ever actually released/shown on TV?

Because I swear I’ve seen those dogs before, and my brain is telling me that I actually saw the episode in question, but I suppose it could just be a case of my having seen those pictures before and my mind is playing tricks on me. Any clue whether or not it ever made it out into the world, or are those pictures all that’s out there?

IIRC, the Superpup pilot was included in the Superman DVD collection. No idea if it’s on the Blu-Ray.

I remember the Wild Child / Sabretooth rumor from back in the day, but as nothing more than a fannish Clever Theory. News traveled so slowly back then, it was actually EASIER for stuff to morph from theory to rumor to fact, as it was harder to trace sources.

Dave talks at length about S’ym, Wolverroach, and Professor Claremont in the original Swords of Cerebus collections. Marvel had complained about The Roach, most specifically his appearance on three covers in a row as Wolverroach, and even Dave had to admit they had a point. Shooter talked to him at a Chicago con and told him it was one of the Legal beagles that had done it, and not him.

It’s funny, I could easily believe Wild Child (grow up, you’re at least 30!) was related to Sabretooth, what with the weird flat nose, and heavy brow.

I can’t believe people didn’t realise that Bark Bent was Superpup.

Tom Fitzpatrick

January 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm

As far as the S’y'm/Sim thing goes:

You know what they say? “All’s fair in art and war. That being said, and turnabout’s fair play!”

I know, bad pun. Just couldn’t resist.

“I always thought that the introduction of S’ym was more of a response to the Wolveroach ado between Sim and Marvel”

No, that was Spider-Ham who came about as a seeming reaction to Sim putting Wolveroach on more than one cover in a row.

Maybe that’s good fodder for another Legend? Similarly, I hear Cerebus was to crossover with X-Men in the mid-80s, promotional art made it to the cover of one of the Fanzines. Why’d that fall apart?

Chrome Aardvark

January 13, 2012 at 6:33 pm

I know that Byrne and Claremont discussed making Sabretooth Wolverine’s father and that was implied a few times over the years, I’m not sure about Byrne’s intentions for Wild Child.

I always thought that the introduction of S’ym was more of a response to the Wolveroach ado between Sim and Marvel

S’ym predated Wolveroach.

@Mr M: The reason the lettercols printed full names and addresses was for fans to connect with each other.(According to their own story, Wendy and Richard Pini met that way. Richard had read one of Wendy’s letters that had been printed in a Silver Surfer comic and he began corresponding with her.) This was, of course, long before the internet and there were a lot of fans who didn’t have access to the fanzines but there wasn’t any specific requirement that a full address had to be printed (the letter writer simply noted something along the lines of “address not to be published”).

My memory, having been there at the time, is that Marvel were dropping hints all over the placfe that Wild Child was Sabretooth’s son in the late 80s/early90s…..and when the Wyre issue of Alpha Flight hit it was “What? come on, he’s obviously Sabretooth’s son”…,.

As to if Byrne meant him to be Sabretooth’s son…. well when Alpha Flight 1 (and indeed 11&12 and 25-28) came out Sabretooth was a distinctly z list villain with just (I think) that Byrne Iron Fist and another Power Man/Iron Fist (#66) appearance behind him. It’s not till X-Men 210 (released the same month that Alpha Flight 40 hit) that Sabretooth starts making X appearances and getting worked into the Wolverine back story.

Wowie, the first two legends are made for me, almost!

Can’t remember where I saw about the Superpup thing, but yeah, that’s disturbing.

I will probably email you with a followup about the Cerebus one. I will point out that the comment by the Professor about “was there any reason the beast couldn’t be a woman?” was a dig at Claremont apparently asking this same thing about new characters — was there any reason this character couldn’t be a woman? So even back then it was a Sim thing….

And while the students probably are a Three Stooges riff, Dave later did a more in depth Stooges riff towards the end of the book (issues 268-288, somewhere in there, probably the “Latter Days” volume, if anyone’s interested).

As TJCoolguy pointed out, Sabretooth and Wild Child were together in AoA, so I’d guess that’s where the start of the fan questions about their relationship was.

The last time I saw Sym in a comic book he was in New York during Inferno. The only time really read Cerberus was when he was in that issue of Spawn where Todd McFarlane was dressed like Spawn.

The first time I saw Wildchild, he was Sabretooth’s sidekick during the Age of the Apocalypse. I guess that would make sense. But sometimes even characters who were alike and hanged out together shouldn’t be related just by that. Theyjust have a commonality that draws them to the same place. Like Logan and Creed being related is a bad idea.

Like Wolverine and Sabretooth being brothers or Logan really being some guy named James and he ran away from home and changed his name to Logan after he realized he had bone claws.

I mean.. these movie people come up dumd ideas sometimes.:)

The Sabretooth/Wild Child thing waaaay predates Age of Apocalypse, published in 1994. IIRC one of the things that started it off was the Liefield Wolverine/Wild Child story in Marvel Comiocs Presents 51-53(?) in 1988 (as mentioned by Trevor in reply 3 above)

By the time AoA happened Simon Furman’s Alpha Flight issues, revealing Wyre as Wild Child’s Father, had been out for a year or so. It’s surprising that since then nobody has bothered to retcon that story out of existance!

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People keep telling me, you gotta read Cerebus, even if Sim offends you, you just have to read it, but if I came across something like that in a book, five pages of boring dialogue attacking some other creator, I’d probably give the book away to Goodwill

It’s also hard not to read Sabretooth as flaming with that dialogue, and it would be really nice to bring that Sabretooth right on back for us

D. Druid says “five pages of boring dialogue” in re the Cerebus pages, but a bit of what Dave’s doing there is parodying Claremont’s long winded style. Based on some of the things I’ve seen of early Claremont from other posts here, Dave failed in not having ENOUGH dialogue on the page. Just look at that Claremont page here.

This isn’t the best example of funny Cerebus. I think the election run from issues 37 to, oh, the Deciding Vote from issue 44? I think, is probably one of the best early, pure funny runs of the title.

YMMV, of course.

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Trevor: That’s one of the sources of the rumor. The other comes from Wild Child’s entry (really a stub in the Omega Flight entry) from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, where it says that Wild Child is “apparently a mutant or the inheritor of superhuman powers from a mutant.” Given that it is well-known that Byrne had wanted to reveal Sabretooth to be Wolverine’s father, some have apparently taken Wild Child as his attempt to make a “second go” at giving him a progeny. And thanks again to Brian!

A bit strange to see Sabretooth described as “a modern-day pirate” in his first appearance, when for most of his subsequent history he’s pretty much been depicted as a psychotic mass murderer. Although you could probably use the word “psychotic” to describe a real-life pirate like Blackbeard :)

Just found something strange online. It is this youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CjrZNi49bE&feature=share
It claims to be a 50 year old cartoon about the dangers of communism and the greatness of capitalism.
The strange thing is that about 5 minutes in to it, it mentions a character named “Willie Lumpkin”.

Is this an appearance of Willie that pre-dates the FF and the newspaper strip?
If so, does that mean that Stan Lee wrote this film?
And does that mean that he wrote films outside of the Army?

What’s the deal?

Thanks,

Josh

@ Brian, I agree, killing Lil was a waste. Then again, I liked the Lil/Madison relationship from Alpha Flight, as well as the paternal attitude he took towards Kara. (Madison was my favourite Flight member).

That’s why I was disappointed to see Kara as a villian, and then with the cancellation of Alpha Flight (again!) that will likely never be fixed.

Kind of wish we’d see Kara/Laura/Goblyn going to Wolverine’s school. Both to use these characters and to give Wolverine’s X-men a teleporter/gateway generator in Laura.

Then again, I’m also lamenting that Marvel’s forgotten how Madison’s powers work.

At one point in the X-Factor run, Sabretooth and Wild Child were on the team at the same time, and they brought up the possible relation. IIRC it was mostly Sabretooth trying to get under Child’s skin by pointing out the similarities between them and claiming it was probably familial. As with many things at that point in the book’s run, it was kind of half-assed and dropped unceremoniously later on.

Man with No Face

January 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm

At the time, I had a different theory: I figured Sabretooth, Wolverine, and Wild Child were all half-brothers (Wolvie’s mother had had dark hair, obviously)…and their mutual father was the Wendigo!

Weird, I know. But animal-like, fur, claws, Canada…and two of them with white/blond hair…

Sad truth is, Wildchild’s continuity is all f’d up and it would take some pretty big retcons to fix the mess. It’s not impossible, however.

I hated Wyre, too. He had no real back story… just a generic plot device character. The entire idea of Wildchild being magically cured and made almost normal, all off-panel, was ridiculous. I liked him well enough despite that, but plot wise Alpha Flight was a complete mess at that time. It’s important to note that Wyre was not confirmed as Wildchild’s father. He was merely the source of the feral genes that were being used to create unnatural feral mutants. Interestingly, in the flashback, Wildchild looked nothing like the other experimental subjects, and was said to have been superior to the rest. This begs the question… was it really Wyre’s genes that were used on poor Kyle, or was it something else? Did the scientists realize that Wyre’s genes were inferior, and obtained genes from a better specimen, unbeknown to him? Or did Wildchild’s genetics already contain the genes of a superior specimen, which overrode whatever they did? One thing I’m sure we can all agree on is that Wyre is just too lame to be the source of Wildchild.

Another problem with Wildchild’s continuity is weather or not his father was a mutant. Wolverine implies that his father was a feral mutant, yet on M-Day Wildchild was depowered despite the fact that mutants who had inherited their X-gene were supposed to be exempt. I don’t know how to reconcile this, unless we go with the idea that Wolverine THOUGHT Wildchild was Sabe’s son, but was wrong.

Such confusion would be understandable, given Sabretooth’s attitude towards women. Isn’t he also confirmed as a rapist? It would be easy enough for him to have all sorts of bastard offspring out there. Perhaps the similarities between him and Wildchild are unnatural, the result of gene splicing, and not paternal. He would still look and, to fellow feral mutants, smell like he’s related to Sabretooth. Sabe’s attitude towards Kyle in X-Factor was as though he recognized Wildchild as being like a son. He called him pup, encouraged him to be more like himself, and lashed out at Kyle when Kyle wouldn’t play along. I have to say, despite X-Factor loosing the plot somewhere along the way, I really enjoyed that part of the characterization. Now if only the editor at that point hadn’t had it in his head that Kyle is a teen, and if only the Editor in Chief hadn’t had it in his head to hire shit artists and ‘temporarily indefinitely’ cancel the book, it could have been great. X-Factor was rife with interesting subplots and missed opportunities.

Another problem with Wildchild’s early history is that if I remember correctly, one writer in Alpha flight said his parents threw him out because of his feral mutations, which then leaves us wondering what the point of genetic engineering was in the first place. In X-Factor, they flesh out what was done to Kyle, focusing more on the conditioning and psychological manipulation that went into making him a vicious killer. But they show him looking like an ordinary boy, no feral mutation until after the Secret Empire got a hold of him.

Now we can add being some sort of super-evolved wolf-man roman demon descendant ex-Nazi to the list. Loeb and Way’s work with the feral mutants needs to be retconed out of existence all together. Maybe have some mystical entity trying to bend the Ferrels to it’s will by nurturing insane delusions in this old and powerful mutant, Romulus. Maybe most of Romulus’ backstory is complete BS, and what really sets him apart is a psychic ability to plant false memories in the subconscious of others… the more like him they are, the easier he can influence them. This could open up a superior new story arc and lead the way to undoing a lot of the terrible retconing and some of the senseless character deaths.

I’d like to add that I, too, am pissed about Lil’s pointless death. With the way her powers work, it shouldn’t have even been possible. It’s just another case of bad writers not knowing how to write a happy ending. All characters must be miserable to be relateable and the only compelling story is a dramatic one.

These are two of my favorite Marvel characters. It really hurts this fangirl’s heart that both of them were so abused and never used to their potential. Personally, if I were writing for Marvel, I would have gotten Lil and Wildchild back on a team together, and would have explored their relationship to each other. While Madison was Lil’s romantic interest, it was noteworthy that during Byrne’s run Lil and Wildchild worked really well together despite both being difficult people whom some of the others from the Flight program expressed animosity towards. They seemed to have a sense of camaraderie or friendship. Lil’s body language in particular showed that they were close, kneeling by him with her hand on his shoulder when they were defeated and about to be arrested. Later in the series, a reformed Kyle Gibney is the Best Man at Madison and Lil’s wedding. Madison said they were best buddies back before things went bad. I don’t know why writers never did more with that, as the group dynamics were interesting.

Didn’t Byrne once say that–because Sabretooth was originally intended to be Wolverine’s father and Marvel had since decided against using that idea–he created Wild Child as someone who “could have been” Sabretooth’s son? I don’t think it was ever stated definitely, but I could have sworn Byrne once said that was his original idea for the character.

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