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The Abandoned An’ Forsaked – The Tragedy of Triumph

Every week, we will be examining comic book stories and ideas that were not only abandoned, but also had the stories/plots specifically “overturned” by a later writer (as if they were a legal precedent). Click here for an archive of all the previous editions of The Abandoned An’ Forsaked. Feel free to e-mail me at bcronin@comicbookresources.com if you have any suggestions for future editions of this feature.

Today we look at the strange, sad history of Triumph, who was at point in DC history a founding member of the Justice League.


Triumph debuted during a three-issue tie-in crossover with Zero Hour in the three Justice League titles at the time (Justice League America, Justice League International and Justice League Task Force). The time anomalies caused by Zero Hour freed Triumph from limbo. You see, he was with the Justice League right before they formed. In what would have been the League’s first mission, however, Triumph ended up getting lost in time limbo for ten years. Now he is back along with the alien menace the League was formed to stop…

The problem is because Triumph and the aliens became lost in time, the League does not remember him…

Eventually it is all worked out and Triumph is ready to become a hero again. The problem is that while when he went INTO limbo he was on the same par with the rest of the League. It is now ten years later and he is still in his early 20s while they are all veteran heroes. So he instead ends up becoming a part of Martian Manhunter’s Justice League Task Force, a team of young heroes that J’onn hopes to help mold into the heroes of tomorrow.

Naturally, Triumph is irritated by this set-up and for the entirety of his time on the Justice League Task Force he is insolent and a pain in the ass. Ultimately, J’onn fires him.

Meanwhile, during Underworld Unleashed, Neron offered Triumph the same deal he offered lots of people. Light a candle and Neron will give you something you desire… but he’ll also get your soul! Triumph pockets the candle and debates what to do.

In the final issue of Justice League Task Force (#37. The J’onn team was in issues #0, 17-37), Triumph comes to the Justice League Christmas party to make amends..

J’onn accepts Triumph’s friendship but tells him he is still off of the team. Triumph freaks out and leaves in a huff. Later in the issue, as Triumph debates on whether he wants to light the candle and gain back the lost ten years of his life, his teammate Gypsy comes to him…

Triumph reflects on her commentary – he DID save her, after all. Perhaps his life DOES have meaning? So he goes back to J’onn and asks for forgiveness once again.

However, as Gypsy and Ray look at the tribute Triumph made to their fellow hero, Mystek (who had died recently), they find Triumph’s candle and light it…

Which cuts to…

Yep, it is the most depressing twist on It’s a Wonderful Life ever. Triumph gets his ten years back, which means he was never a member of the Justice League Task Force and, ya know what? NOTHING CHANGED. He really DIDN’T matter all that much. Gypsy would just have been saved by someone ELSE. An awesomely dark ending to the Justice League Task Force series by Christopher Priest. You certainly can’t ever claim that Priest is too sentimental in how he treats his characters. His books and runs frequently end on dark, dark notes. Here, he abandons and forsakes his own storyline. Bold.

So that was it for Triumph until Grant Morrison brought him back in JLA. However, Morrison then more or less abandoned and forsook the ending of Justice League Task Force, and just played Triumph up as the superhero who has all the bad luck…

Now with an evil Thunderbolt powering him, Triumph finds Gypsy and Ray and mind controls them into being his “new Justice League”…

Morrison does a strong job playing up with the notion of superhero “tiers” and how the ones in the lower tiers are jealous of the more popular heroes, with this all being given voice by the clearly insane Triumph (Christopher Priest later noted that he thought Triumph not having a soul after JLTF #37 played into his ability to turn evil like this)…

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Superman, of course, doesn’t see things that way…

That’d be a more powerful moment if Morrison hadn’t started JLA with the lower-tier heroes being kicked out of the Justice League satellite to make room for the new JLA.

Triumph reflects on his foolishness before the Spectre then turns him into a human ice sculpture…

The Justice League keep him in their moon headquarters, giving him full credit as a Justice League founding member…

The JLA’s headquarters is later destroyed, however, and Triumph is killed in the process.

In Brave and the Bold #17-18, Marv Wolfman plays around with the idea of Triumph. Following Infinite Crisis, the Justice League was once again founded by the original seven instead of Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, Martian Manhunter and Black Canary. So if that was changed, then how could Triumph have been a founding member?

So Wolfman gives Triumph a son, a son whose existence fluctuates in and out of reality as his father’s status changes…

Besides an appearance in the alternate reality that made up Kurt Busiek and Mark Bagley’s Trinity, that’s pretty much it for Triumph. Maybe he can have a place in the New 52?


I first encountered Triumph in those Morrison JLA issues. I didn’t have a clue as to his backstory, but I sure felt sorry for him. That shrinking ray part (restoring “almost all his anatomy to normal size”) was an especially low blow.

Now that I’ve seen that Wonderful Life riff by Priest, I’m more depressed than ever.

Oh well, maybe someday there’ll be an existential, fourth wall-breaking Animal Man-type story where a writer will treat him nicely and make it all okay.

Michael Sacal

May 27, 2012 at 6:54 am

Didn’t Priest once say something about Triumph being gay?

You don’t think….

It does seem that Triumph remembers being in the JLTF in that Priest issue; why else would he be spying forlornly on the celebration? There are a few DC characters who seem to be able to remember reality despite shifts in time, and Triumph may be one of them.

Among the memorabilia Triumph is selling in JLA is the Ray’s helmet. Possibly the electric bolt rifle belonged to a minor League foe like Electric Man (from JL of A v.1 #5), or maybe (retconned) it’s a trophy from an undisclosed encounter with the Club of Villains member King Kraken, introduced by Morrison years later in “Batman R.I.P.”

As a side note, the villains threatening Triumph int hat JLA issue are the Gang, a group from the Pre-Crisis Daring New Adventures of Supergirl series. (Post-Crisis, they probably fought Power Gril; that was how another pair of Supergirl villains, Psi and Reactron, were reintroduced IIRC.) Kong and Bulldozer are the musclemen, and the robot is the female leader, Brains, apparently still mentally trapped in the Matrix-Prime robot body as she was back in the old Supergirl series. The fourth, missing member, Ms. Mesmer, turned up later on as one of the army of female supervillains in Phil Jimenez’s run on Wonder Woman

It does seem that Triumph remembers being in the JLTF in that Priest issue; why else would he be spying forlornly on the celebration? There are a few DC characters who seem to be able to remember reality despite shifts in time, and Triumph may be one of them.

Oh, I agree that Triumph remembered his time with the JLTF even after his time with them was wiped away. But Morrison makes it pretty clear that Triumph WAS a member of JLTF in the JLA issues. Note that his Justice League team existing is even referenced by the bad guys.

Justice League: Task Force reads exactly like a lower-rung X-title, which I suppose is the point. Somehow, it makes the essential bleakness of Priest’s story that much more striking.

Bleakness notwithstanding, JLTF was one ugly-ass book.

Well the ending of the story doesn’t specifically state that he wasn’t on the team–only that he got off it fairly soon. So maybe without a soul he’s such a jerk they kick him off sooner.

I love everything I’ve read by Priest, can’t get enough of his work! Is JLTF worth it? I’ve only read the 0 issue and wasn’t too pleased, was the rest of the run any good?

BBO: I think of it as the all-time low of the Justice League, but part of the problem was that all the JL titles at that particular time were terrible. It was a post-Giffen, pre-Morrison dark age.

JLTF had some seriously ugly art, and half the time you needed to read The Ray and The Flash and Triumph’s own short-lived book to understand the story; it’s my understanding they told Priest he couldn’t do anything forward-thinking with the book, so he just took those characters and made a whole sub-universe that had nothing to do with anyone else. Also he added his own character, Mystek, who was killed.

Mystek. Mystical tech. Or Mistake? Hah. Should have had something to do with Aztek, but didn’t. Never really understood that character.

Prior to that, JLTF was a different kind of fun, focusing on one-off goof missions, like all the female JL members plus a cross-dressing Martian Manhunter, or some other odd team-up that wouldn’t fit in the other JL books.

What if Triumph were the gay character DC is talking about? I know he doesn’t fit ALL the criteria, per say. But It’s not like Didio has ever been straightforward about these kinds of teases.

Dean Hacker wrote: Justice League: Task Force reads exactly like a lower-rung X-title…

It doesn’t help that I kept thinking Gypsy was Jubilee in the Christmas scans….

Back on topic, I believe Triumph’s candle was the only one not lit by the candle owner, so based on demon rules, any sort of things could have been changed or nullified or altered in the process.

One potential Abandoned and Forsaked that could be handled here, which I’m reminded of, is Gypsy’s martian heritage. Did she still have it towards the end of the pre-52 DCU, or did it get retconned?

i think there needs to be at least one character in the new DCU with connections and memories of the old…I wanted Joker and his insanity to be it, because there’d be no fear of him trying to get it back…maybe Triumph could be that guy…make him insane, remember the last DCU as well as the Zero Hour DCU and the DCU before he was “lost” in limbo…

I still think it would be hilarious if Busiek and Perez added an encounter between Triumph and Sentry to a “special edition” of JLA/Avengers. If there were any two characters it would be appropriate to shoehorn in after the fact, it would be those guys.

Triumph’s origin reads insanely similar to the Sentry’s. Hero is a big deal => world and other hero’s forget him=> hero returns => forgotten hero becomes villan

It’s interesting to see the parallels between Triumph and the Sentry. In both cases a previously unseen superhero was revealed to be part of the past continuity of other better known superheroes, only something happened to make everyone forget about him. And then under another writer, the hero turned bad.

tim: Doesn’t the Flash remember? It seems like Flashpoint made that clear. He told Batman, too, so maybe he remembers?

Can’t mention Triumph (who came first) and The Sentry, without dropping in Moon Maiden.

Trust me: look her up.

Yeah, Triumph and Sentry are parallel concepts.

I think Marvel looked at what DC tried to do with Sentry and realized they could do it (much) better.

I’ve been hoping to see Triumph make a return since DC’s reboot last year. This would be a great time to take another crack at him.

Greg, you might be right…I really still have to check out the new flash stuff since the trade should be heading out soon…

I’m thinking less of a hero having this knowledge, though…more of some kind of insane character, sort of like a loner and not really in the straight hero/villain mold…i think it could make an interesting plot point…and add a little bit of sci-fi depth to the current DCU…

Duff McWhalen

May 27, 2012 at 1:59 pm

you know, all these years, i never knew Task Force and Extreme were two different books.

It looks interesting. I mean, Priest is a good writer, those are mostly good characters, and…the art crosses the line into “awesomely” bad. Looks very self aware. And Jubilypsy is HILARIOUS. A Detroit League member turned into a half assed X-Man, that must have been intentional.

Speaking of parody, I’m really hoping one of these columns goes extensive with Crapman Jr, Marvel’s Robert Reynolds.

I loved him on Late Night with Conan O’ Brien. Hey, I’m not he biggest DC reader ever. :)

If it’s anything like Sentry, I found it strange that the New Avengers were fighting ninjas for some reason and Sentry was conviently having a nervous breakdown back in New York. He just seemed forced into the books.

Man, I have’nt read Priest’s JLTF, and now I want to, despite how bad the art is. Too bad Morrison had to undo a finish so awesome.

“I’m thinking less of a hero having this knowledge, though…more of some kind of insane character, sort of like a loner and not really in the straight hero/villain mold…”

That sort of fits Triumph. Can you imagine him trying to explain his past to the Justice League?

“I was with you guys at the start, but then time got changed and I was retconned out for ten years. Then I came back but nobody remembered me until I sold my soul. THEN I was bad for a while and the Spectre killed me. (You probably don’t know who that is.) Anyway, that was about five years in the future and three universe alterations back. So what’s new?”

Triumph is a great example of a character who’s great in concept, has some potential, but the execution left a lot to be desired. His best story was honestly the one where Morrison froze him in a block of ice at the end. I think Morrison actually could have made him work as a JLA member – what he was able to do with Superman Blue, another character with vaguely defined electromagnetic powers, actually made me like the Blue concept.

Also, I wouldn’t call the JLTF art bad, more “eclectic.” It works for me, and it’s more cartoony than trying to ape the worst aspects of the 90s. It’s definitely rough, but I can see where if the artist had a couple more years to refine his style, he could have been great. That was a big problem with the 90s – there were a lot of talented guys getting pushed on to big name books with little professional experience. Back in the 80s and prior, they would have been broken in on titles like Moonknight (like Bill Skienewicz) however instead you end up with guys like James Cheung being given books like Iron Man before they are ready for that kind of pressure. He ended up up on Maverick after IM; 80s Marvel would have done it the other way around.

Speaking of art, man those Howard Porter pages still look great! I kind of see him as DC’s equivalent to JOe Madureira – he was an awesome, cartoony almost manga looking artist back in the day, disappeared from comics for a while, and now that he’s back doing semi-regular work, there’s just something… off about his art. In the case of Porter, I think it’s the fact that John Dell (his regular inker back on JLA) isn’t inking him now, and he needs a brighter, cartoony-er color palette to really make his pencils pop. Mad! needs Townsend. Pure and simple.

I hate Grant Morrison.

interesting to learn not only did triumph wind up a jla founder but lost in time then even tried to make a deal with the devil to regain plus even jli did not want him . then to learn he ticked off the spectre to finaly put in an end to him. dc wound wasting a character that had a lot of potential done right.

I had asked Dan Didio right before JL #1 came out of DCNU if Triumph was going to be recognized or not, and essentially he said that the start of the JL was starting right then in JL#1… Essentially meaning, or so it sounds, that Triumph did not exist.

I think the obvious evolution of Triumph, the hero who don’t get no respect, is to become Triumph the Insult Comic Superhero.

Flash doesn’t QUITE remember the old DCU. All during Flashpoint he realized he was losing his old memories and started to remember the Flashpoint history instead. By the end, his memory gets ‘restored’ to the New 52 history, and he vaguely recalls having an adventure with an alternate reality Thomas Wayne, which he tells to Bruce.

Triumph seems like the kind of excess baggage that a reboot is made to get rid of. I have some fondness for the guy, but he’s like the Mopee of the Justice League.

BitBiteOuch: I’m a huge Priest fan/apologist (so understand that as you read the following), and also a huge fan of the Giffen/DeMatteis League which had given way to the Gerard Jones/Dan Jurgens League. I was buying the other JL books out of habit, and dropped Extreme Justice early on in it’s run, but I really dug JLTF. I reread them a couple years ago and thought they held up. I wouldn’t spend big money on them, but if you can find them cheap and you’re a Priest fan, it’s probably a good investment. Be warned that it’s not nearly as good as Black Panther.

Anonymous: You certainly may be right, but didn’t Howard Porter also mess up his hand? I agree his art has changed since JLA, but I don’t know how much is the injury and how much is a natural permutation in his art style (I assume a little bit of both is the most likely answer).

Man Triumph really was one of my favorite DC characters. The thing is what I loved about him was generally he was right about everything he said, the rest of the League at the time was pretty crappy and I actually grew to HATE Martian Manhunter in the series (Justice League Task Force). Triumph was a background character when by rights he should’ve been front and center. It was also bothersome that at one point he became paralyzed and when on a world with extra gravity he was in excruciating pain trying to adjust to it since he used him EM powers to nullify the effect usually. What does Martian Manhunter do to help him? PUNCHES him. Grah.

The loss of his soul bit was also nonsensical since he clearly NEVER gained back the 10 years he lost saving the world and by the rules of the candle Neron gave him he never should’ve lost his soul in the first place since HE didn’t light the candle and seal the bargain.

And I am to this day pained by the dumb handling of him in JLA with Morrison since they changed Triumph’s story and somehow made him lose his powers only to basically make him a poor mans Magneto for the story even turning his hair white and giving him a dumb villainous outfit.

I guess in the end the biggest issue was no writer fully agreed what to do with Triumph. I mean his first story than introduced him showed he had a mean streak and a bit of an attitude also was done to show him get THROUGH his thick headedness and show his willingness to work with others, something others have downplayed or otherwise ignored to make him a full on hot head.

I hope he has a place in the New 52 he’s a powerhouse that more people should be willing to use and while it was never ended up being used him as a gay character would’ve been interesting to see as well.

And going off the thing I mentioned above I’ve never understood WHY he didn’t catch on more. I mean people tend to like characters who have attitude. I mean people like Guy Gardner for crissakes. Not saying Guy’s bad exactly but they’re both in the same vein of hotheaded characters.

Plus as far as power sets go we never really see heroes with Magnetic powers barring say Polaris and Magneto when he turns good for a year or two.

Plus as far as power sets go we never really see heroes with Magnetic powers barring say Polaris and Magneto when he turns good for a year or two.

Also Cosmic Boy, Magnetic Kid, Frances Kane/Magenta, and three different heroes named Magno, off the top of my head.

Travis Pelkie

May 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm

Well, I’d say that fans didn’t take to Triumph because he was a shoehorned in character that really added nothing to the story of the founding of the League.

Plus, it happened right when Zero Hour was happening, which was supposed to take care of some of that kind of junk.

I mean, I don’t think fans took to the retcon of Black Canary replacing WW as the founding female superhero in the League (despite, say, Waid/Kitson’s awesome JLA Year One), so they certainly weren’t going to take to a brand new, not particularly likeable character being a founder.

Then he got dumped on JLTF, which was at least a third tier book.

Didn’t JLTF start out with the odd “premise” of being a book where the artist would be the same, but the writers would take on different arcs? Am I remembering that right? And was this still Sal Velluto art by the end?

MOCK! beat me to it, but I was totally going to say that the part of Gypsy was being played by Jubilee. Oy!

Man, if you hadn’t told us that was Triumph in those later JLA pages, I would have thought it was helmetless Prometheus. Porter sure stuck with a sure thing in depictions, huh?

On that note, Anonymous above mentioned that certain artists in the 90s got put on books that were bigger draws than what they were ready for (but Velluto on JLTF seems like a good fit with that — JLTF WAS the lower tier League book, and as buttler said, it was the post-Giff pre-GMozz dark ages), and then mentions how good Porter was. To me, Porter’s a great example of exactly what Anonymous was referring to. Porter has a neat style, but to me, he just wasn’t as great for JLA as he could have been. Really, I’m not sure what else he’d been doing prior to that that got him that gig. I do know that the JLX cover from the first Amalgam round was fugly, but a lot of that might have been the coloring.

Triumph (and Sentry, for that matter) are cool concepts that never got executed as well as they could have, maybe because once you establish that they were forgotten but are back, they’re just another hero, and they’re just shoehorned in. I think Marvel did a little better with the fake out of it being a “lost” Stan Lee project, but that was only a little better.

Pharon F Fanboy

May 28, 2012 at 2:49 am

Squashua – Moon Maiden JLA 80 page giant from 2000

Preist’s run on JLTF has always been a favorite of mine. It was really more about characters and their issues than about fighting the ‘villian of the week’. At the time, I remember being so upset when it ended. I was really invested in these characters and even to this I really look forward to when they make a new appearance (which is few and far between these days). I would highly recommend buying this run. And I’m sure it’d only cost you a few dollars for the whole of run!! :) The Ray series, also by Priest, was a nice companion piece.

And regarding the art? I wouldn’t go on whats pictured above – that guy was only on the last few issues (I’m guessing when they knew it was cancelled). There were some good artists on the title – Velluto was amazing!! And he was the artist on majority of the series. And Robinson was on a couple of issues – and he had some nice clean art.

“Besides an appearance in the alternate reality that made up Kurt Busiek and Mark Bagley’s Trinity, that’s pretty much it for Triumph.”

I never read Trinity – so I had know idea Triumph appeared in it?!? Is it possible to include a page or 2 from his appearances in it to get a feel for it?? :) :)

I was just checking Comicvine for all of Triumph’s appearances and it says he was in Blackest Night #1 ????

I don’t have my copy with me – anyone see it?? – I don’t recall seeing him in it.

I don’t think Triumph actually appeared in Blackest Night. He was mentioned a couple of times as one of many dead & forgotten Leaguers (like the Detroit Leaguers who actually did come back, only more so), but I’m pretty sure he didn’t rise.

It makes sense that he wouldn’t be used for that, actually. Blackest Night was all about terrorizing those close to all those dead characters, whether the connection was through love or hate or fear or whatever, and you’d be hard pressed to find a DCU character who really cared all that much about Triumph one way or another.

Triumph and Tomorrow Woman did have a pretty touching role in Trinity, I have to say. Worth checking out.

I know I’m in the extreme minority but I love that Justice League Task Force art above. It seems to be by Ramon Bernardo, an artist whose stuff I would always buy whenever it came out, no matter who that artist and what the character. If I knew he was the artist for the last few issues of Justice League Task Force I’d have bought those issues. I always avoided the book normally but at the time anything drawn by Ramon Bernardo was an automatic buy for me. I’ve always tried to find out what he’s doing now but to no avail.

Triumph is one of the worst characters ever made. that guy was awful.

While I’ve never been a fan of the Sentry, I do think they did a better job setting up his backstory, hinting at this weird gap in the MU history, then filling it in–Triumph was a good concept (maybe) but presenting it so abruptly and asking us to accept him as a serious contender just didn’t work for me.

I agree with T.

@Pan Rains
I didn’t know that about him, (and I consider myself to be a pretty big Porter fan too! lol) and that could explain the difference. The same thing happened to Whilce Portacio, a guy who was big on X-Factor and UXM in the early 90s. Somewhere in the early 2000s he went into a coma for like a month because of his pancreas, and since then his art hasn’t quite looked the same. You can still see some of the old-school Portacio in his work, but it definitely looks much rougher than back then. However I still think it has a lot to do with the guys who inked him – in the 90s he had Scott Williams ans Art Thibert, who may have smoothed out some of the wrinkles in his pencils. Still, I wish both guys the best and I may pick up the recent DC Universe, Magog, and Batman Beyond books in trade that Porter was on.

@ Travis Pelkie
I wouldn’t necessarily say Porter was as unrefined as the JLTF guy, but I agree – he got better over the series. I know he did most of the art on the Ray solo series (yeah, there was a Ray solo series. It was the 90s.) before it was cancelled, and I think he had a stint on the Flash before JLA. I know he was a popular artist, but I don’t know if they put him on JLA because he was popular or if he got popular because of JLA – chicken and the egg. However, unlike a lot of 90s artist, he improved fairly quickly, I think he got most of his style down pat by the end of the first arc. Also, at the time, guys like Mad! were VERY popular, and I can see some similarities with the cartoony, explosive style. It looked over-the-top during the action scenes and his characters and villain/new hero/background tech designs had a bit of a manga edge to them. He certainly wasn’t the worst choice for putting on the title.

Maybe Triumph was one of the “dead” Leaguers that Hal showed Barry with his ring in BN#1?

@Butler: As a fairly avid comic reader even I only recognize Cosmic Boy. I’m sure others have his powers sure but very few who are ever really in the limelight like his second of non fame.

Wasn’t the Psycho-Pirate the only post-Crisis character to remember reality the way it was before? I have never heard of much being done with him since (I’m not even sure whose villain he was), but it would be interesting to see if he also still remembers the DCU pre-New 52.

Ganky, Psycho-Pirate debuted as a foe for Dr. Fate and Hourman, whom DC tried as a team in Showcase. Then he became a JSA foe. I think his only noteworthy appearances post-Crisis were in an Outsiders/Infinity Inc. crossover and in Animal Man.

I like how in Porter’s JLA pages Triumph has that extra long lock of hair. I imagine him telling his barber, “no, don’t cut that! It’s the 90’s, fool. Everyone gets funny hair.”

I remember picking up that Morrison/Porter JLA arc with Triumph (pretty much just because it was one of the few arcs in that run that I had somehow missed) and, despite enjoying it as I did everything else in the run, finding myself wondering “What the hell is going on? Who is this guy? What’s the deal with the genie?”

Luckily, they explained the genie thing more or less in the story. Thanks for filling in the rest for me, Brian.

Morrison does a strong job playing up with the notion of superhero “tiers” and how the ones in the lower tiers are jealous of the more popular heroes, with this all being given voice by the clearly insane Triumph (Christopher Priest later noted that he thought Triumph not having a soul after JLTF #37 played into his ability to turn evil like this)…

I love Morrison’s JLA, probably my favorite thing he’s ever done, but playing up superhero tiers is the only drawback to the run. Once he really made the superhero tiers an in-story, focal thing, it just paved the way for even more stories to beat the theme into the ground and create really terrible status quo where the DC Universe is incredibly status obsessed. Reading characters discuss which of them is A-list or not and having one group of heroes behave like glorified groupies to other heroes does not come off heroic, especially at the level Didio’s era beat it into the ground. I know JLI dealt with the idea of joke heroes before but the idea of the Justice League and superhero life in general being treated line wide as a cool kids clique where the jocks and cheerleaders rule over all the other cliques like a teen movie really hit full steam after Morrison’s JLA. To Morrison’s credit he handled it better than later writers who beat that dynamic into the ground mercilessly (worst single offender being johnuckanick story where Blue Beetle got shot)

It worked brilliantly in Morrison’s Seven Soldiers where he was dealing with real bottom-tier types such as Mindgrabber Kid, but you do have a point. As witness the recent issue of JLA where Green Arrow tries to join and the League does all but give him a wedgie.

@ T. AKA Ricky Raw
I agree, the meta commentary was good when Morrison used it because he used it well; Triumph voiced the opinions many fans have on the subject, while Superman was Morrison’s way of voicing his objection to that line of thinking, and I think it had an effect on some future writers. Look at Meltzer’s run on JLA – he said he wanted to write a love letter to ALL the JLA eras with that run (where Identity Crisis had failed) by mixing elements of all the past incarnations of the League. Other writers think that by using this meta-commentary template they’ve ripped off from GoC makes their writing more intelligent than it is, when really it’s still bad storytelling. They use it like a crutch when they want to seem “deep.” Just because you have SOME meta-commentary in your story, doesn’t mean it’s good meta-commentary, just how like a lot of writers think that if they make their story “dark, gritty, and realistic” that automatically makes them a brilliant writer too. People need to put a lot more thought and effort into their craft.

Why does Gypsy look like Jubilee?

Freaking ’90s. . . .

Fraser, actually the Psycho-Pirate with the parti-colored black and red costume is Psycho-Pirate II. The original Psycho-Pirate was a Golden Age JSA foe, didn’t have a costume, had a Yosemite Sam mustache, and tended to commit crimes (or provoke other people to commit crimes) based on various emotions. Psycho-Pirate II was an old jailmate of his, learned his secrets, and after PPI died in prison, he got out and spiffed up the act.

“Pharon F Fanboy wrote: Squashua – Moon Maiden JLA 80 page giant from 2000″

Really? That’s all you got?

Triumph was DC’s character erased from history, then brought back.
Sentry was Marvel’s take on the concept, but he was erased for a reason.
That JLA 80-page-Giant with Moon Maiden came out about the same time as The Sentry was introduced in Marvel, and her concept was that she was erased from history with a Retcon Machine (or similar) and she was another Triumph-esque character, except she was a good guy. I can’t recall the plot, but she came back to the DC universe and they never used her or referred to her after except in one or two panels in JLA / Avengers in the background.

Triumph and Marvels Sentry, both the same kind of guy , both ended tragedy

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