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The Line it is Drawn #94 – Alternate Reality Character Designs

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Now on to the bit!

So every week, I ask a question here. You reply to it on our Twitter page (just write @csbg with your reply) and our blog sketch artists will each pick one of your suggestions and I will post them here every week. So every week you will have a new question and you will see the choices picked from the previous week. Here is an archive of all the previous editions of The Line It Is Drawn!

To qualify, you have to be following us when you reply – so go follow us and then give your answer to the following question/challenge (All suggestions due by 6:00 AM Pacific this Friday).

The topic is…

In honor of the late Ray Bradbury, team-up a comic book character from a character from a science fiction novel or short story (any science fiction novel or story, not just one by Bradbury). NOTE: A novel or short story – not from other media. Thanks to Axel Medellin for the suggestion.

Read on for the sketches that came about courtesy of the last question/challenge!

Based on a suggestion by John Trumbull, the topic is character design What If? Like “What if Jack Kirby had designed Batman?” or “What if Spider-Man had been designed in the 1930s?” or “What if Archie had been designed during the 1990s?” Let your imagination go wild!

Enjoy!

I’ll put them in alphabetical order based on the name of the Twitter user who made the suggestion.

All copyright and trademarks of the following characters are held by their respective owners!

BigMike20X6 suggested:

What If Daniel Clowes had created Spider-Man?

John Trumbull drew this one. Here is his website.

BigMike20X6 suggested:

What if E. C. Segar had created the Goon?

Josh Gowdy drew this one. His website is here.

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BrandoSupreme suggested:

what if Mignolia designed the Avengers

Phillip Sevy drew this one. Here is his website.

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BrendanRome1 suggested:

Supergirl if she had been made in the 1930’s first as Superwoman instead of Superman.

Nick Perks is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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KeithAlanMorgan suggested:

What if Osamu Tezuka designed Machine Man?

Sean McFarland is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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KeithAlanMorgan suggested:

What if Will Eisner designed Captain America?

Daniel Cox drew this one. Here is his website.

KeithAlanMorgan suggested:

What if Fletcher Hanks designed Spider-Man?

Chaz Folgar is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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KeithAlanMorgan suggested:

What if Picasso designed the X-Men?

Cynthia “Thea” Rodgers drew this one. Her website is here.

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KeithAlanMorgan suggested:

What if Dan Decarlo designed Wonder Woman?

Bill Walko drew this one. His website is here.

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Louie4711 suggested:

what if HR Giger designed Catwoman?

Axel Medellin drew this one. His website is href="http://www.nancynismo.deviantart.com/gallery/">here.

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shurwitt suggested:

What if Wonder Tot had been created by Charles Schulz?

Xum Yukinori drew this one. Here is his website.

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shurwitt suggested:

What if Gilbert Hernandez designed Big Barda & the Female Furies?

Nick Perks is also the artist for this one. Here is his website (Nick gave me a black and white and a color version and I think the black and white fit best).

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therealAstrozac suggested:

What if Iron Man was created in the 1930s?

Marco D’Alfonso drew this one. Here is his website.

Good stuff, folks! You all just get better and better!

Now go make suggestions, people!

76 Comments

Great pieces all around but no competition on the best piece of the week: X-Men Guernica.

These are always good, but this week was amazing.

Are novels and short stories that have been adapted into other media are acceptable?

Yep.

The X-men Guernica. Wow.
And a Mignola designed Avengers? I’d buy that!

I agree with the above comments, the X-Men Guernica is the clear winner here, though most of others are very cool too.

Daniel Cox, you could’ve highlighted the 1940s racist stereotypes even more by giving Bucky buck teeth…

Wow! Just Wow!

Mignola’s Avengers and Giger’s Catwoman take the cake for me. Honorable mention because of the composition would be X-Guernica.

I have to vote for the Eisner and DeCarlo tributes, which are both spot-on and really go the extra mile. Just beautiful.

Hands down Rodger’s Picasso followed by a tie between D’Alfonso and Sevy.

I am amazed how great the artwork has been week after week. Thank you to all the artists for making my Thursdays a bit more special.

I love the Mignola Avengers. Schulz tribute is hilarious.

I’s suggest Nick Fury by Reg Smythe, but I’m not sure how many non-Brits would get it.

1930’s Iron Man is pretty great.

Well, we have a couple of Brits in our group of artists, so give it a shot!

Nice touch on the boob screws for catwoman.

Love the old school feel of Nick’s colors

KeithAlanMorgan got it right with Will Eisner.

He probably would have done the Superwoman design the (in)justice that was probably intended by the suggestion.

Question about next week’s theme, Brian. The phrasing you use here:

In honor of the late Ray Bradbury, team-up a comic book character from a character from a science fiction novel or short story. NOTE: A novel or short story – not from other media. Thanks to Axel Medellin for the suggestion.

…makes it sound like we’d be teaming up a comic book character with a character from ANY science fiction novel or short story, but you meant one of Bradbury’s, right? Or are we opening up the floodgates to ALL science fiction writers?

All science fiction writers. It is in honor of Bradbury, but it is open to all writers. Hopefully there will be plenty of Bradbury suggestions, though!

andillformthehead

June 14, 2012 at 6:50 am

woooooooooooow this is the best “line is drawn” yet!

i love the hernendez furies the best. love and rockets, indeed.

Whoops, I meant Daniel Cox; got suggester and artist mixed up.

Also, that Catwoman is TERRIBLE. You can’t see her butt at all in that image!

Brian, you should clear the rights with DC, Marvel, etc. and release a big book of “The Line–It is Drawn”. Heck, I’d love to design the book if you ever want to do it!! http://issuu.com/saidatala + http://www.saidatala.daportfolio.com/ [/shameless plug]

Daredevil in “The Green Hills of Earth” was what popped in my mind if Heinlein is allowed….

All great, but my favorites:

-I want that Avengers!!!

-Chaz, you captured that creepy, blank stare from Fletcher Hanks’ “heroes” well. Thanks for reminding about that wacky dude.

-Giger Catwoman is very….Gigery? Awesome!

All science fiction writers. It is in honor of Bradbury, but it is open to all writers. Hopefully there will be plenty of Bradbury suggestions, though!

Thanks for clarifying, Brian, and I think that’s a good call. Limiting it to just one writer might be a bit too limited, even when it’s one with as long and varied a career as Bradbury’s.

All stellar pieces, but X-Men Guernica wins it for sheer head-tripping goodness.

Holy crap, guys.

Duff McWhalen

June 14, 2012 at 7:26 am

Best is impossible, this was such a great week. But my personal favorite has to be Clowes’ Spider-Man via Trumbull. Many are of course, but I’d say it’s the most “natural.”

These are amazing!

I want to read all of these comics! Such a shame I never will.

These are amazing! Can’t pick a favorite…although “Mein kampf!” in the Eisner homage still has me chuckling. :)

Great stuff!

A-maz-ing. I love that Xum got Mer-Boy and Bird-Boy in there, and the Iron Man in Sevy’s Avengers is particularly great. And holy crap, Thea’s Guernica!

Just a fantastic batch all around. Y’all really knocked it out of the park this week.

Paul Hamilton

June 14, 2012 at 8:18 am

Said – should be no need to clear any rights, it’s all parody.

Excellent set this week, I hope this becomes a regular theme!

Great selection here…love the Captain America, Catwoman and the Peanuts Wonder Girl piece…

Mike Loughlin

June 14, 2012 at 8:46 am

Nick’s Big Luba combines my two favorite female comic book characters- awesome!

X-Guernica is one of the best pieces this feature has ever had; amazing, Thea!

Everyone else, wonderful job! I’d buy the hypothetical collection of Line is Drawns>

sequentialarse

June 14, 2012 at 8:51 am

Best. Week. Ever. Thanks to all the artists (this week and every week) – my mind it is blown!

@Dave Brzeski: Andy Capp is pretty well-known here in the US.

As for this week’s question, I’m a fan of Isaac Asimov’s robot stories. I can imagine a team-up of robopsychologist Dr. Susan Calvin and the JLA’s neurotic android, the Red Tornado.

These are great. Brilliant designers all around. Eisner Cap, Giger Catwoman and Clowes Spidey are my favorites.
Line is Drawn is a terrific project, I hope lots of eyeballs see the great talent participating.

This was indeed the best yet!

That Eisner Bucky is so messed up (but so spot on)!

I would love to see Superman in Bradbury’s “The Long Rain”, either in a Sun Dome or searching for one.

Christopher Chance

June 14, 2012 at 9:32 am

Wow! That giger Catwoman would fit right in with the “New 52″ Don’t let Dan Didio see it!

Iron Man and Catwoman are the best that I’ve seen so far :D Woah.

Stefan Wenger

June 14, 2012 at 9:45 am

Ahhh, this one’s amazing!! More!!!

Thanks for all the compliments! This week was fantastic all around.

Axel – you killed it! I knew you would. Awesome Giger homage.

And Thea – damn, girl, that’s trippy as hell. I thought I was going to go cross-eyed trying to draw like Mignola. I would have died trying to emulate Picasso.

Congrats all around – stellar work this week!

WOW. You guys didn’t hit this one out of the ballpark, you hit it out of the damn atmosphere. Infreakingcredible.

great work guys, sorry i couldn’t get one done this week!

I wouldn’t know what to say about the x-men Guernica. In the original picture Picasso was denouncing the fact that during the spanish war people had been killed by german bombs. What we have here is what we could call a “spoof”: comic-book creations stealing the place of those who actually died, emptying the message. I would never censor it, but I can’t even refrain from the fact that instead of accomplishing something, the author has dismissed Picasso’s explicit sense and has given us an empty product. It’s not even a critique of “our culture” (whatever it means), for instance the fact we have lost contact with reality and everything has a become a disposable commodity. I may be wrong, yet this is what I see. It doesn’t feel like art, it feels like a cheap gimmick.

What if Frank Miller created Mortal Kombat and Todd MacFarlene Created Street Fighter?

“I wouldn’t know what to say about the x-men Guernica. In the original picture Picasso was denouncing the fact that during the spanish war people had been killed by german bombs. What we have here is what we could call a “spoof”: comic-book creations stealing the place of those who actually died, emptying the message. I would never censor it, but I can’t even refrain from the fact that instead of accomplishing something, the author has dismissed Picasso’s explicit sense and has given us an empty product. It’s not even a critique of “our culture” (whatever it means), for instance the fact we have lost contact with reality and everything has a become a disposable commodity. I may be wrong, yet this is what I see. It doesn’t feel like art, it feels like a cheap gimmick.”

Thanks to you guys putting out spectacular artwork this week, yet again you have helped me bring out my A game!

I’m flattered that my piece has been so well received by everyone, almost.

Guido, I sincerely take your commentary to heart. I used the original painting as commentary on of the xmen being constantly at war and having severe casualties (such as the death of nightcrawler, depicted here). I take my art very seriously and have the highest regard for Picasso’s work. It was never meant to be a spoof on Picasso or a gimmick piece. I believe any war is a seriouse subject, whether fact or fictional. The x-men’s war for equality very relevant to our time and culture. This piece is not devoid of meaning and purpose.

That being said, I appreciate the concern you have and humbly apologize for any semblance of disrespect to the casualties of war, which is unintended.

Thea

Rrrrgh!! I hate commenting after everyone else (damn work schedule)! Well, everyone’s already said it, but this is probably the best week if TLIID ever. There were at least 3 or 4 images that literally made me gasp out loud in my work’s cafeteria. I mean, wow. You all started as amazing artists and somehow step up your game week after week. The fact that every one of you doesn’t have a professional job on a running book (I know some of you do) is mind-blowing.

In fact, if anyone’s bored, lemme know. I got some stuff a-brewin’ that could really use some artists…

It’s not just that Rodgers’ X-Guernica is so well done, it’s that I look at it and can’t believe it was made by a human being.

It’s THAT good. Wow.

Oh wow guys… oh wow. I’ve followed The Line it is Drawn since the beginning, and this may be the best week yet. Occasionally one piece of art will lag behind the rest, but this may be some of the best work by everyone during the same week! Great job!

For the next challenge, the first thing that springs to mind would be the Illustrated Man meets the Tattooed Man…

I would buy catwoman if thats what she was like

Great all around. I always enjoy these. But this week is just woah wowow :D
My favorites:
Philip Sevy’s Mignola’s Avengers. Perfect.
Axel Medelin’s Giger’s Catwoman. Amaaazing.

This has to be the best thing on the internet right now for a comicbook fan. So much history and fun :) Thanks everyone I’ll have smiles for days.

Yeah, add me to the pile of people swooning over X-Guernica. Amazing.

Considering that Thea has asked for critiques, which led to me spending most of the night writing one that would do her justice, at her site (link by her piece), I am not going to say anything more about “X-Guernica” other than to applaud her for the sheer audacity and skill needed to attempt it. Bravo!

John T. found the intersection of Ditko and Clowes at exactly the right time — a mash-up in the best sense of the word.

I was thinking that the Avengers piece was nothing special — then I saw how Sevy realized Iron Man, and it immediately became one of my favorites. An expert reimagining.

I want Sean to do Aaron Stack for real — I love that he uses the Nextwave take, and gets the character perfectly — even when “mangaed” with Astro Boy, you get the feeling that this robot brain needs beer!

Did Eisner really draw people punching with their feet like that? Awesome. A domino mask for Cap, great title, and give Cox full credit for not whitewashing the uglier aspect of Eisner’s work back then. Yeah I said it. Marston had the same problem, and we need to accept them both as products of their time, and as terribly, terribly wrong.

Does this make Peter Parker “the most remarkable teenager that ever lived”? Between the Fantomah splash page and this, giant spiders with hands are becoming a major motif around here…

I’m sorry, but, wow, Thea, just wow….

I had to come back and look at the other submissions later just so I wasn’t mentally comparing them to Guernica.

Don DeCarlo’s Diana through the years is just spot-on — down to the odd expression that makes it look like Wonder Girl is gonna bite the head off that dove. Maybe she was channeling her inner Reggie Mantle that day.

Axel — Guillem March on line two — wants to know if you can cover for him on Catwoman, Yep, i said that, too.

I had never realized it before — you can do all of Lucy’s bits, and all her lines, and if you put her in a ponytail, she’s Violet. MerSchroeder and BirdCharlie are recognizable — funny how that works.

Fritz Lang’s Iron Man — now there’s a threequel I would be interested in seeing!

I’m not sure fair use would cover this — but if a TLiiD book is ever put together — I will buy at least 5!

I’m not sure fair use would cover this — but if a TLiiD book is ever put together — I will buy at least 5!

If there was a TLiiD book, how much of the profit would the artists get? Or would Brian pocket it all and buy himself a mansion?

Alternate Character creation this week? Ohhh that can go in so many directions, both great and terrible! Let’s see what our stars came up with!

What If Daniel Clowes had created Spider-Man?: Who? Oh I hope I don’t miss too many references like this one this week! No, seriously!

What if E. C. Segar had created the Goon? Oh, THIS guy I know, he’s the creator of Popeye, right? Hey waitaminute, didn’t HE coin the word “Goon?” He popularized it, at the very least, with Alice the Goon!! How fitting! XD

What if Mignolia designed the Avengers?: Hmm… nah. I LIKE Mignola’s work, but it doesn’t really fit The Avengers. Nice homage, though.

Supergirl if she had been made in the 1930?s first as Superwoman instead of Superman: “…And causing scandal by accidentally flashing onlookers below her!” HAH! Sorry had to make that one. But GREAT homage, Perks!

What if Osamu Tezuka designed Machine Man?: Astro Boy + Machine Man = Mega Man? Yup pretty much! I love it!! :D

What if Will Eisner designed Captain America?: Best one so far, at least in both meeting the week’s goal (adapting another creator’s style) and inserting witty/controversial humor. (Yeah, I know about the Bucky/Battlestar thing. Much ado about nothing if you ask me.)

What if Fletcher Hanks designed Spider-Man?: Again: who? You know, it would help if you MENTIONED at least some of these people’s works, Brian, it isn’t as if they’re all household names. As for the piece itself- what can say but “Trippy, Man?” :P

What if Picasso designed the X-Men?: Hoooly crap I wasn’t expecting this! Much less that it would work so well! Amazing!

What if Dan Decarlo designed Wonder Woman?: This is kind of a cheat since it uses already-existing takes on the character but- Bill Walko art, what can I say? I just love his pieces. Plus yeah, it does have that DeCarlo charm that still works even today. : )

What if HR Giger designed Catwoman? GAH! Do I even dare LOOK at this one…? (looks) *Whew* it wasn’t THAT bad, but some Giger stuff I have seen has given me nightmares (and I’m not even talking about the ALIENS!) X(

What if Wonder Tot had been created by Charles Schulz? This works in a way similar to Walko’s. It just makes me smile. :D

What if Gilbert Hernandez designed Big Barda & the Female Furies? They would swear in Spanish? XD Kidding aside, yeah, they’d probably look like that. Not bad, but I still prefer the Kirby version.

What if Iron Man was created in the 1930s? Eh, too “Metropolis”. (But nice homage anyway! ;) )

Overall, a very good week! (But seriously, next time at least tell us who everybody being imitated is supposed to be- I HAVE heard of Eightball, for example, but couldn’t remember its author’s name and had to google it) Once again thanks everyone for the fun time!!

What If Daniel Clowes had created Spider-Man?: Who?

What if Fletcher Hanks designed Spider-Man?: Again: who?

Sijo, Spider-Man is a character who was created in 1962 by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for Marvel Comics and has been running continuously ever since. :)

Thanks for all those who commented on all those fabulous pieces this week — truly, the bar is getting pretty darn high!

Also, special call out to Tuomas, Matt, Squasha, Hysan, Toby, GH, JoeMac, BeccaBlast and Sijo for their comments on the Eisner piece.

And JoeMac: I’m not sure about the rest of the team, but I pay Brian a g note each week to include my piece, and last I heard he was putting in a pool. Also, apparently he has two sets of knees…but I can neither confirm or deny that.

Some comments:

John: Spot on…you nailed Clowes work perfectly by having that so recognisable composition of someone front on to the camera. The ‘Sufferin” line made me giggle.

Josh: Awesome. Love the line work, combination of Segar style while keeping it recognisably Goon and an extra point for going b/w, which is spot on.

Phil: Recognisably has all the hallmarks of a Mignola piece: strong blacks, strong composition and those angels. Extra points for incl. the cover in the bg as texture and just love those tubes coming out of Iron Man’s mask.

Nick: Ha…way cool. When I read this suggestion nothing came to me, but clearly you had a very strong vision for this one…and it’s really great. This really feels like something from those original strips.

Sean: Love it. Dynamic and deceptively simple. Love the gun and the tinted eyes.

Chaz: Crazy goodness…like only you can do it. Bizarre, but in a good way.

Thea: Outstanding effort. Love all the textures and I can still recognise all the characters as well. Love the Best the most.

Bill: Great job…made me smile. Oh man, I had totally forgotten about the blue swim suit…so it was designed by Lynda herself? Lovely piece and I’ll pop my fashion ideas in the mail asap.

Axel: Check out those Giger nipples on Catwoman! Ok, had to be said. But yeah…super cool, as I new it would be. I have all his books and a big fan of his New York book.Lovely sketchy lines left in the back and the monochrome and slightly transparent tones are spot on. Great!

Xum: Fabulouso. Made me smile as well…from the sheer joy that you obviously had doing this. Really great play on the Schulz style and really nice lettering. A+

Marco: Perfect. I looked at the image, then back to the suggestion and thought ‘he’s nailed it’. Tying in Fritz’s and art deco make for a very cool Iron Man…and the background ties the whole thing together.

Looking forward to next week so get those suggestions in, folks!

My hats off to all the Liners on the best week so far! And thanks for the comments!

I can see Thea has responded to my opinion. I do appreciate when people do it, because it means they are willing to answer any doubt that the audience might have concerning their work. Obviously the drawing is good, very good, if we consider just the “technical part”. What, then, if we consider the message? It becomes ambiguous, and it could lead us to present the artist with our concerns. Should I ask the author to take it down, hide it and burn it because I think it might be “offensive”? Absolutely not, because it is good. Absolutely not, because it is only my opinion, and even if it turned out to be objectively right there still wouldn’t be a reason to “erase it from history”. To me it seems to be a spoof, to others it doesn’t. The drawing has acquired its own ambiguity, the meaning is multi-layered. We could call it post-modernism (whatever it means). It has the quality to become an emblem, and this, I think, is what art strives to achieve.

Shut up Guido.

Guido has a right to his opinion like the rest of us. AND he is right- the original subject of Guernica is very tragic and should not be forgotten. THAT said, I feel I should point out that if that has happened, it is a result of the passing of time and not because later artists have chosen it that way.As a matter of fact I remember hearing some people somewhere say that it would have been better if Picasso himself had used a more realistic style with it, that its bizzareness keeps people from emotionally connecting with it. Art *is* in the eye of the beholder.

@Trumbull: Hah, good one. :)

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