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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 044

Hey! It’s our 44th episode!


Inside this episode! We have a review of Justice League Dark #0 and National Comics Rose & Thorn #1 (one-shot).  We then have Maddy back for good old times! We mostly talk about Sword of Sorcery (Amethyst) and the controversy surrounding the first issue and the grim and gritty trend of the entire DC 52…this leads to our realization that DC editorial must have a “Grim & Gritty Wheel!” – first listener to design said wheel gets…um…nothing…but the pride of having done something awesome?  Maddy gives us a well deserved Chick of The Week in the form of Barbara Randall Kesel!

Here are the breaks:

Justice League #0 – 00:50

National Comics: Rose & Thorn #1 (one shot) – 10:08

Maddy is back! – 20:23

Chick of The Week – 117:05

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass and Kelly Thompson from She Has No Head! Tune in to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly and Sue.  Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question!


I only just started listening, but before I forget, why do you call him “Gar-Bay”? He’s British, not French, so I’d default to “Gar-Bett.” I’m just curious why you pronounce it that way – did you hear from him directly?

All right, back to listening!

A little bit on Rose & Thorn: The silver/bronze age version debuted in Lois Lane #105 and had her own ongoing back-up in that title for quite a while. Her feature also crossed over into the main Lois Lane feature regularly, which gave us classic covers like #114. In this incarnation, her father was a cop (or DA or something like that) who was killed by members of The 100, a semi-secret crime syndicate in Metropolis that Lois was investigating. Thorn’s mission was basically to kill or capture all of them, and she did so with gusto, counting down from 100 to 1 as she did so. Rose, of course, had no idea about her own dual life. Naturally, she had a love interest who was interested in both versions without knowing they were the same person.

The best era of Lois Lane, in my opinion, for whatever that’s worth.

There was a golden age version as well that this was a revamp of.

regardless of the stupid movie, It’s ConstanTINE, rhymes with whine. Like the emperor.

Every time I hear one of you say Constanteen my brain starts going “We are the constanteenies…”

Also, Rose and Thorn was originally a back up in Lois Lane in the seventies, not the sixties.

@Marionette the back-up debuted in 1970 – so yes you are correct but still it is just out of the 60s.

yessss, Maddy!!! :D this is one of your best episodes, i really enjoyed this one. not that i don’t enjoy them all but this one felt big and important and spot-on or something. Sue was on fire in this one, too.

thanks for the Jem shout-out, Kelly! :)

i wish i had something insightful to add to this conversation but as usual i’m just nodding my head in agreement.

I think the real problem with the whole grim and gritty thing is that there’s so little to balance that out. There’s nothing to affirm your faith in humanity or hope for the future. It’s very depressing and bleak.

No Man’s Land was the right way to do grim and gritty. It showed that even in the worst of times, people can still show compassion and empathy towards each other. It showed how even ruthless villains like Two-Face, Penguin, Killer Croc still have some shred of humanity left, that they are still capable of caring and protecting others, and that there might be some hope, however slim, that they might be redeemed.

It’s not so much a grim an’ gritty wheel as just a big black circle, innit?

And I assume (since, as usual, I don’t have access to a computer where I can actually listen) you were all appalled at how horrible and skeevy that Rose and Thorn book was? That cover is classy and subtle in comparison!


There was a post-Crisis version of R&T as well, with a story in the Legacy of Superman book (after he died) and a couple issues of the Showcase book (the ’95 one, I think). Maggie Sawyer was in the latter, and they were written by Roger Stern. Decent stories. And I assume you mentioned the Simone/Melo mini from almost 10 years back.

Speaking as a member of the audience DC should have targeted for Ameythst, I definitely enjoyed it. I mean Gems, Magical Kingdoms, Evil Queens, and a compelling teenage protagonist? Does this not scream 14-year-old girl on the Rocks and Minerals Science Olympiad team? Yes it was rushed and cliche but the inks were pretty,I wanted to get more than Birds of Prey 0, and I don’t live in a world where I can buy Simone’s Stephanie Brown team book (yet, I’m hopeful and indenial).

I think what National Comics is going for (at least what I’ve heard here; I haven’t read any) is the Nu Minx 52, and they’re probably headed for the same failure if audiences reacted to it as you all did.

Now let me rewind and support Buffy a little bit. Yes, it was a “white” show, but when any significant character who was not Caucasian was introduced, they were pretty interesting and also not embarrassing, which I felt was admirable.

This site certainly has all the information and facts I
wanted about this subject and didn’t know who to ask.

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