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3 Chicks Review Comics – Episode 051

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Inside this episode! Reviews of Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Avon Oeming’s Powers: Bureau #1 as well as DC’s Katana #1 by Ann Nocenti and Andy Sanchez. We also spend a good amount of time talking about the end of Death Of The Family (spoilers, ahoy!) as well as the (totally unrelated) Orson Scott Card situation. To cleanse our palates we then interview the delightful Terry Moore, about Rachel Rising, the 20th Anniversary of Strangers In Paradise, what digital comics have meant for indie comics, and how he came to build Abstract Studios. 

Here are the breaks:

Review of Powers: Bureau #1 – 00:53

Review of Katana #1 – 12:40

Hot Topics (Death of the Family, The Card Conundrum) – 25:00

Interview with Terry Moore! – 55:19

Hodgepodge Talk! – 1:47:45

3 Chicks Review Comics is a podcast featuring female comics lovers and bloggers Sue from DC Women Kicking Ass and Kelly Thompson from She Has No Head! Tune in to CSBG every other Monday at noon as we review comics and discuss hot topics of the week. In addition to the blogs above, you can also follow us all on twitter as well: Kelly and Sue.  Special thanks to Nik Furious for our awesome 3 Chicks theme song.

*As always beware of spoilers if you haven’t read the books in question! Advance reviews are always spoiler-free!

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Honestly, I think DC took a calculated risk with hiring Card. For all the flak they’re getting about it, I wonder if that will translate into really hurting the book when it gets printed. I’ve seen a lot of people who commented that they’re going to buy it ONLY because of the protests and planned boycotts, and I wonder if DC hired him partially in the hopes that the controversy would gin up sales. That would be giving DC too much credit, I think, but it’s possible.

Anyway, good podcast as usual. It’s always fun!

Hay Kel & Sue,

Sorry I missed chiming in on the 50th (and not getting y’all anything). Maybe I did comment. Hrrrm. I just wanted to thank you for having Terry Moore on. He made me so hopeful! I also now think Racheal Rising is a great premess and next chance I get I am reading issue one. Also it’s Art Baltazar and I need to head over to Kickstarter to support that book.

Kelly, thanks for the support today.

Oh…thst’s right the fight. Sue…I hope you get the subtle point Kelly was making now. It was a solid one. Your passion is needed and appreciated, for sure.

Someone give these ladies Jobs!

I think DC Deserves being put on the fire for hiring Card, because they knew he’s a controversial figure. I think, though, that I’m with Kelly on this, more than Sue. Card is hateful and despicable, with a side order of looney tunes, but what does that have to do with his writing? If Card was writing Superman as a homophobic pig, that would be the final nail. He’s not going to do that, though.

The reviews coming out for this comic are going to be pretty interesting!

Why weren’t people mad about Marvel turning his works to comics or Card writing Ult Iron Man, BTW? Iron Man isn’t the #1 American comic icon, but no homophobe, either.

I’m going to say something now that will sound crazy out of context. I respect Orson Scott Card’s opinion. No, not his actual point of view, but the fact that he publicly made his unpopular feelings known. How pissed do you think we’d all be if every creator in comics spoke about their sociopolitical opinions? It would not surprise me that a creator I like doesn’t like me for some reason, but that person has kept quiet in order to not ruin their career.

I’d rather know who my enemies are so I can steer clear from them, than to have a “friend” stab me in the back when I least expect it.

@VichuSmith – I’m not sure why the lack of protest when Card was writing Ultimate Iron Man is an issue at all – in fact I think it derails the issue at hand. But since I’ve seen it brought it up a number of times here’s why – Card’s level of participation against marriage rights in particular his sitting on the board of NOM is much more strident than in 2007. At that time his was a rabid homophobe but was not suggesting people over throw the government is prop 8 was overturned. Also, Tony Stark is not Superman. I think its pretty clear that one of the issues is the dichotomy between Card’s beliefs and what Superman represents.

The issue isn’t whether Card will include his homophobia in his Superman story. It’s that the money he’s getting from DC, which could have gone to any other writer, is going to help support a cause which actively works to deny people their rights.

I wouldn’t want a member of the Klan to writer Superman, would you? I wouldn’t want a member of an organization that works to deny women their rights writing Superman, would you? So why the handwaving for this?

It’s a shame that people who have talent also may be despicable people, but that’s an unfortunate truth we have to sit with. If I was a “can’t miss an issue of Superman” type of person, maybe that would be the only way for me to feel conflicted over this book. I wasn’t going to buy this, though. I probably would’ve overlooked it if Card wasn’t so controversial. Still not buying it, wasn’t interested, but my eyes have been on it.

I listened to the audio book of Ender’s Game long after knowing of Card’s beliefs. Am I funding homophobia. Erm, I guess.I enjoyed the book, despite its author. I did not know about the organization he was involved in, but yes, I was basically putting a tip in the jar for Card.

I easily lean to the side of DC not making a good move hiring a person whose views are so incendiary, but I ask you: if someone who was ultra left wing or ultra feminist, someone who was so twisted by their beliefs that they stated that men or conservatives should be killed, would you want them writing the comic books you read?

We can donate anonymously, after all, so a comic book creator can pump money into any cause they so please, and not have their name revealed. So are we funding more Scott Cards, unaware? I could go on with that tangent, but I’ll cut it short.

So it’s just, SIGH, a bad situation that ultimately gave a book a lot of publicity that it would otherwise not have gotten. Who knows if this book is even going to be any good? People will be reading this for the purposes of reviewing the book that the “Anti gay writer” wrote.

Here’s my thing about the Scott Card issue – and I acknowledge I did a terrible job of explaining myself during the cast.

While I obviously abhor Card’s views and will not the support the book and agree that DC has made a poor decision that reflects badly on them and their supposed attempts at inclusiveness, I just find this idea of not hiring people based on a beliefs to be a bit of slippery slope.

For example, if I held all the same beliefs that I do today (equality for all, etc!), and was hired forty or fifty years ago to write a Superman comic and people found out about my beliefs they likely would have been up in arms. Now, my beliefs would have been no less right back then, than they are now, I would be right and just, but the world would not yet have caught up with me and thus I might be blacklisted or denied work, regardless of how talented I was, based on my personal beliefs. That is a dangerous dangerous game.

Now, fortunately, the world has come around (largely) to the right way of thinking and so we stand quite easily and strongly against Card’s views (and hopefully those views will never again come into fashion) but the world has a way of changing over time and something (unrelated to this issue) that we today find wrong or unappealing, could, in theory, years from now, be considered absolutely right…and we just don’t have that perspective yet.

It’s why it’s dangerous to deal in absolutes, especially when it comes to personal beliefs and freedoms. I urge everyone to read books like 1984 if they continue to struggle with these ideas. You cannot give over to a mob mentality on these things, because you never know when the thinking (or “the man”, etc.) will change and be against you. It’s why personal freedom is so important…and kind of what we’re all supposed to be about over here.

Part of that freedom is for me (and everyone offended by Card’s beliefs) to not support his work. Don’t go to the movie, don’t buy the book, feel free to let DC know how you feel and speak out in any way you can – talking feel about how you’re not going to support him and why, including voting with your money – that’s the way to spread the word and let it be known that the world does not support or endorse these views. But I’m not sure calling for “blacklist” type behavior (which is a lot of what I’m seeing on the web) is the way to go as that is almost always a dangerous way to enforce beliefs.

I hope that explains my position a bit better.

I just wish I could hear the conversations between Card and DC, and private conversations about this. Did anyone, ever, ever, ever, say “There is some kind of risk to putting this man on this book”? For once, I’m dying for that Bleeding Cool style gossip and inside info.

great episode!! i loved this one. i’m more on Sue’s side on the Card thing but i see where Kelly is coming from too.

i loved the Terry Moore segment, really great insights and everything. and man, so much money from self-publishing…!! :O i wish i could pull something like that off but i wouldn’t know where to start, like how do you deal with distribution and visibility and all that? and for something with thousands of copies it seems like i’d be spending days and days putting together packages and mailing and there’d never be any time to DRAW! how does he do it?!? going all self-published seems awesome but also overwhelming and near insurmountable to me. :(

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