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In a move which disappoints everyone, (but surprises no one), the first promo pic from the upcoming Vivid Entertainment Wonder Woman porn parody reveals that her costume is significantly closer to her comic book counterpart than any the hero has worn in other screen adaptations.

Unless you’re a fan of the high-waist and clunky heels of Lynda Carter (whose awkward run did hold a certain charm, even if it wasn’t particularly Amazonian), or you can make do with some pretty nifty animation adaptations, there really hasn’t been a decent Wonder Woman costume on TV in decades. Women who find out I read comic books often ask me why there isn’t a new Wonder Woman TV show or movie (because while they may not read the comic books anymore, she’s arguably the most instantly recognizable female hero around). When I reply that they tried with David E. Kelly, with Joss Whedon, with others… but it seems like there are always too many questions about her pants, they think I’m joking. How could something as basic as pants be the problem?

Adapting female superheroes from comic books to the screen is a complex task for a slew of reasons, but sexy clothing is a much bigger issue than it seems on the surface. While her 70 year old costume has generally managed to maintain a consistent brand over the years, on a human being it is always difficult to believe that a strong woman would fight battles in what is essentially a star-spangled swim suit. In real life it just isn’t plausible, and in the current climate of gritty, realistic superheroes, it is a tricky adaptation. Specifically, the problem is that television and movie makers are assuming that we need to find it believable, which gets a bit strange when you question whether a man could design and build his own Iron Man suit, or a kid could sew his own web-slinger costume… why aren’t male superheroes being held up to the same standard of realism?

What we seem to forget (but porn producers haven’t) is that it doesn’t matter if Wonder Woman’s costume is feasible, fashionable, or even plausible. What matters is that she is iconic, she is an instantly recognizable brand which has been firmly planted in our brains from infancy (well, for some of us more recently, but I grew up with her). What is a stumbling block for television networks and movie companies is actually a bonus to porn companies, who need only put a strong looking woman into an accurate costume in order to have viewers instantly buy into the fantasy. In the world of porn there is an awareness that what they are selling is sex and fantasy, this is an accepted fact known by all. This pragmatism frees porn to more accurately depict Wonder Woman’s costume, which is great. It is a shame that they rest of television can’t just admit that they’re basically in the same business of selling a fantasy, and give us a powerful, established icon in the costume which is her brand identity. I have no interest in porn parodies of superheroes, but I welcome the attention to detail and lack of self-consciousness with which they are approaching these characters and I think we can learn a thing or two from it.

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Um, Lynda Carter’s costume was really close to what the comics were doing in the 1970s. Particularly the World War II version of the show. I’m not quite sure where you’re coming from on this.

(Graeme, there is a whole article after the first sentence. The point is in there, I promise.)

“When I reply that they tried with David E. Kelly, with Joss Whedon, with others… but it seems like there are always too many questions about her pants, they think I’m joking. How could something as basic as pants be the problem?”

Strawman. I’m sure it fits the argument that you wanted to make, but the problem with tv and movie adaptations for Wonder Woman has never been about her pants. The problem has been that WB didn’t like the given treatments. Few will disagree that the WW costume in David Kelley’s attempt was horrible, but the larger problem was that the plot, acting, and fight scenes in the pilot all sucked. The costume did not keep them from filming a pilot. It was only when the pilot was terrible (and very much disconnected from the comic book character) that it became a certainty that the show would not get picked up for a season.

Has there ever been a comment made on the internet beginning with “Um” where the questioner then didn’t look like an ass?

That aside, excellent points in the piece.

“In a move which disappoints everyone…”

I’m not that disappointed, “pornadies” have been around for years. I agree with the points made, otherwise.

So you’re sying….buy the porn? Ok, will do! :D

So you’re saying….buy the porn? Ok, will do! :D

Read Golden Age Wonder Woman. It was a glorified softcore porn comic, ffs!

Read Golden Age Wonder Woman. It was a glorified softcore porn comic, ffs! So her ease of adaptability to porn is to be expected.

I guess that the other way to look at this is that this is a comment on an obvious flaw in the WW costume, however iconic it might be. That is, it is such a revealing garment that, practically speaking, it could only work in pornography. I say this as someone who is a big WW fan and who does not consider “porn parodies” of superheroes to be tasteful or desirable developments, however inevitable they may be. But this does suggest that WW will not come to the big screen in a more respectable way until someone actual solves the costume problem.

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Read Golden Age Wonder Woman. It was a glorified softcore porn comic, ffs! So her ease of adaptability to porn is to be expected.

Really? You can’t guess why pornographers prefer the original? It’s because the costume was always meant to sexualize Wonder Woman and showcase her lady body for a male audience. And while there is a hypermasculinity behind the male characters as well, the trend does not sexualize them the same way – you really can’t compare Iron Man or Thor’s costume to WW’s boobs and legs being completely naked. Another good example would be the Avengers gender-swap picture: http://comicsbeat.com/gender-swap-avengers-poster-gives-us-lots-of-butt/

People might be desensitized to the comic form, but having an actual woman wear that costume in a live action movie is so overtly sexual that the only people who can get away with it are literally shooting Wonder Woman porn. As the saying goes, WW is more of a woman-themed superhero than a woman superhero. Her bikini may be “iconic,” but the iconography itself has some pretty sexist tropes to overcome.

I just never identified with Wonder Woman. Don’t get me wrong..I like her and most of what I know of her comes from the DC Animated Universe so maybe my resource material is too narrow. But I look at the WW of the last decade and I see the spirit of a hardcore warrior but that doesn’t match what I’m seeing on the outside in the costume she wears. Sure I understand the “fantasy” of it and that’s fine but I agree that today’s movie makers and such are trying to create a “serious” WW while trying to keep her dressed in pure fantasy. It doesn’t work well.
Personally I like Batgirl and Supergirl better but I know they will never make any big time movies with either of them.

First off, and I know I will eventually get some static for this, I do not have a problem with the pants. I liked the costume from the JMS run on WW. In fact, I liked the whole story. But I get where the movie studios are coming from, even if I do not agree with them. Non comic fans might have trouble excepting a woman in a “swim suit” fighting evil. Yes this is stupid, but then again when is Hollywood not stupid. Warner Bros. wants every DC film to essentially be Dark Knight. Now I loved the Dark Knight franchise, but they were in no way a super hero movie. Super Heroes are based in fantasy, and Hollywood does not like fantasy, because they see it as a cult franchise which does not bring in the money. I love Wonder Woman ( not enough to see the porn parody) and I am waiting with baited breath to see a live action series or film of the character. But to be honest, all I really care about it that they get the character herself right, the costume is not going to bother me that much.

Every Batman and Superman screen appearance ever has changed the look of their costumes. The costume is not nearly the issue. It’s continued misgivings that a woman can be taken seriously in an action role. Even though there have been constant refutations of that, most recently in the blockbuster Hunger Games. It may also be harder to find the perfect actress to cast in the role. If it’s difficult to image a live action Wonder Woman, imagine how difficult it is to imagine someone actually playing that role.

The porn costume is great and all but check out the detail they put into the invisible jet behind her!

good article.

you are right. whether any entertainment producers realize it or not, they ALL are in the fantasy business. i don’t quite get this whole “high minded” approach to “comic entertainment”. heroes have been around for all these years for a reason.

stick to what works, i say…

[quote]Hollywood does not like fantasy, because they see it as a cult franchise which does not bring in the money[/quote]

cough*billiondollarAvengers*cough cough*billiondollarAvatar*cough *cough*HarryPotterbiggestcinemafranchiseever*cough*

man, i need to see someone about this cough…

If you had put those two pictures in front of me without I knowing where do they come from, I would have bet that the first one belongs to a licensed movie/series and it´s the second which belongs to a porn parody. Shame on DC and on the series producers.

Feliciano Frontado

April 3, 2013 at 11:40 am

There’s a reason why Alan Moore wrote The Minutemen, in Watchmen, as a collective of sexually repressed people trying to sublimate their inner impulses by punching criminals in colorful costumes.

It’s because of characters like Wonder Woman.

Why is it that it’s so difficult to remove the “Miss America + BDSM + Victoria Secret 4th of July edition” look she’s had for over seventy years ? Why do Wonder Woman fans have to be so rigidly opposed to reasonable changes ? Why is there a desperate fear of change and progression to the character ?

If DC Comics, and Wonder Woman fans overall, want the character to reach a larger audience, then they need to re-design her look and get rid of that goddamn lasso for once and for all.

I find it incredibly problematic when people point to Wonder Woman’s outfit and immediately decry it’s practicality when many female athletes wear similarly “bare” outfits (and they’re not even nigh-invulnerable). It’s a somewhat superficial argument because I believe the true issue is how can we reconcile such a strong, powerful, independent hero wearing an outfit that is usually depicted in an exploitative manner. My love of Wonder Woman has always been somewhat separate from the comics because they rarely write/draw her properly – hello 90s and the string up her butt – but there are stretches where people really get her right. In those cases, the outfit can make sense. I think the parody costume looks great and I’m incredibly sad the DEK version looks more porn-y. Shows just how much damage the wrong person can do to a great character.

I agree with Sonia’s overall point. The same holds true with Superman and his trunks. Lose the trunks and he really isn’t Superman any more. Without them he’s a guy in a wet suit – as photos from the Man of Steel prove. It really is a shame that porn companies appear to have more respect or at least a better understanding of what makes superhero costumes work than mainstream film companies and the current crop of creators running Marvel and DC.

Feliciano – The problem is less with her basic origin and weapons and more with the baggage of her creator. Why don’t more people let go of that and really look at the way she’s been depicted in the last 30 or so years? Perez 80s run, Morrison’s run on JLA, the DCAU & animated movies – all have fantastic depictions of her among others.

Hm. I’m not so sure female athletes are as “similarly bare” as the Wonder Woman classic costume. The closest you get are in beach volleyball; basketball players and team volleyball are nowhere near to that. Even track uniforms are nowhere near as bare–they’re just as form fitting, but you’re not distracted as much (on the whole) by the possibility of a boob popping out of a uniform.

DVid, not all fantasy movies are cult movies. But I see what you are getting at, and unlike fury I will not point out this mistake like some sarcastic know it all. WB does seem to like to make their movies darker and more realistic.

What about Greek male athletes and warriors as portrayed in many films and pictures? Most of them seem to be barenaked.

That’s “semi”-naked. Sorry, guys:

What about Greek male athletes and warriors as portrayed in many films and pictures? Most of them seem to be semi-naked.

Sigh. If we object to Wonder Woman wearing a swimsuit, make just enough changes that it’s recognizable but no longer a swimsuit. I like the outfit that WW was wearing in EARTH-2 #1 just before she died. The trunks were more of a Greek-warrior looking skirt, and she had some additional armored pieces. It looked more serious, less silly, yet still completely evocative of the classic look.

@gwangung – What you’re getting into now is more of a construction issue than the basic design. We’re so used to dudes drawing WW’s costume as high-cut panties or g-strings it’s hard to conceive of what the outfit would look like in real life. If you look at the construction of both bodices in the picture comparison at the top of the article, you’ll notice that the DEK version has poorly fitted, much too tiny cups whereas the parody version looks pretty secure. Honestly, I’d be fine with pants depending on the design but I personally prefer a “skirt”, kinda like her battle armor or the Xena costume, which reads much more “Greek.”

Why did my first comment get posted three times? WTF?

There’s a reason why Alan Moore wrote The Minutemen, in Watchmen, as a collective of sexually repressed people trying to sublimate their inner impulses by punching criminals in colorful costumes.

And that reason is that Alan Moore knows exactly jack shit about psychology and thinks that pseudo-scientific Freudian post-modern pop-philosophy passes for actual medical science.

Speaking from a design pov, I think the porn version is great. It stays true to the characters overall iconic look, but with a edgy modern look. The wardrobe dept certainly took a cue from filmmakers like Christopher Nolan and Bryan Singer. Take the original comic design, tone down the garish pop art colors (which lets face it, look plain ridiculous in the real world and should only appear in cosplay) with darker hues and plenty of leather. The costume on the right looks amateurish and silly while the other looks simply splendid. A nicely executed design and most important, true to the source.
That being said I can’t wait to see her wear it while she gets a face full of manchowder.

Okay, I’ll ask the obvious: Wh’s the porn star? She actually looks like a young Lynda carter.

If you show those two pictures to an average person walking down the street and ask which one is the porn actress and which one is the “legit” actress for a failed WW tv pilot, 9 out of 10 will pick the Paliki pic to be the porn actress. Faker boobs, trampy makeup and suck@$$ costume.

zane, the performer is Kimberly Kane, who is a fantasy sci-fi geek herself, and a huge fan of the character.

Yes. Strangely, the porn costume looks much better and more dignified than the TV show one.

Turd Buglar is right. It was a porn costume to begin with (like 99% of all female costumes) so of course they get it right.

Alternatively, we could simply admit that everything is someones’ porn, and we could move on. The networks get squeamish simply because they have to deal with the FCC, which was basically setup to protect the airwaves from whatever serves the prurient interest.

And who’s to decide what that is???

Brian from Canada

April 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm

McNerdy: WB doesn’t want to make all its hero films dark. But in the last three adaptations, Batman was the only one they were really happy with. Superman wasn’t edgy or active enough, and Green Lantern was viewed as needing more gravity. Arrow is a bigger hit than Smallville, and the producers credit their Dark Knight approach.

THAT’s why Nolan has been handed the keys to the DC film universe instead of someone like Bruce Timm: for WB, it’s about the return and not the reflection of the comic behind it.

As for the central point of the article, I call it bunk. It’s not the costume that’s kept Wonder Woman off the screen, it’s the impossibility to getting someone good enough to BE the heroine that causes us to focus on everything else.

Season 1 of Wonder Woman has a retrospective where they say, quite clearly, that the auditions were either for athletes that didn’t have the beauty and/or acting ability, and actresses who missed the reverse. Lynda Carter was a rare find that fit both.

And that’s stayed in the public’s consciousness. Wonder Woman doesn’t even get thought of until relatively recently, and even then Joss Whedon says they weren’t interested at WB: it was all Superman and Batman. The David E. Kelly series was thrown out there to see if it stuck, but let’s face it — when your own network declines in favour of a CBS reject, you know you’re screwed.

Amazon is supposed to run with Arrow either next year or the year after. Perhaps THAT may be the tool we need to get past the established notions, like Keaton did for Batman past West, or Cain/Welling did for Christopher Reeves.

I’ve never been a Wonder Woman fan, though I do like the current Azzarelo run; it’s the first time I’ve ever cared about the character. That said, Wonder Woman’s costume sucks.

She’s not alone. Psylocke, Black Canary, the current Supergirl, etc, all of them are in the same boat. It doesn’t have to be pants; give her a skirt, or a kilt, or some shorts, hell bring back the white jumpsuit. Just give us something that doesn’t look like it’d be at home in a porn film, which we now have proof is the case.

Characters are not just their costumes. They’ve made 4 films with Wolverine in them without once putting him in yellow and black. Surely they can do the same for Diana.

Les Fontenelle

April 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm

If we object to Wonder Woman wearing a swimsuit, make just enough changes that it’s recognizable but no longer a swimsuit. I like the outfit that WW was wearing in EARTH-2 #1 just before she died. The trunks were more of a Greek-warrior looking skirt, and she had some additional armored pieces. It looked more serious, less silly, yet still completely evocative of the classic look.

I agree with Adam. It can be made to work, with some well-considered adaptations to the amazon warrior identity that was never convincingly expressed by her original costume. Dial back the titillation and focus on something that conveys who Diana is. Because the character’s fundamental problem is that the star-spangled thong + strapless bustier look clashes violently with her established persona. And on the screen, that incoherence is much tougher to disguise than in comics – even Lynda Carter only got away with it on an absolutely campy level, but it was still evidently exploitative.

http://fanartexhibit.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/wonder_woman_pose_041.jpg

This is the visual direction they should be going for. If she’s a warrior princess she needs to look the part.

The only way the swimsuit costume would work would be in a campy superhero comedy where the outfit was played for laughs and titillation, shamelessly embracing its exploitative nature. Get the Farrely brothers on the job and it may even be a fun romp.

And that reason is that Alan Moore knows exactly jack shit about psychology and thinks that pseudo-scientific Freudian post-modern pop-philosophy passes for actual medical science.

Why is it so cool to treat the word Freud like a pejorative? Or put medical science on a pedestal? Freud got a long of things wrong but he got a lot right too. And medical science in the realm of psychiatry I think has a far worse track record than Freud. Look at all the spree shooters who turn out to have been on psychiatric medication. Or all the suicide debacles that have come from prescribing antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs.

Ha ha the porn one looks better than the regular one. It looks like Wonder Woman. The other is like some ugly Jim Lee trash. So funny.

@mcpc: You’re being ridiculous and very uncultured. I get it you don’t watch many movies, that you think that Wonder Woman’s costume is something so sexual, people would not get away with it, unless it’s a porn?

Sexuality and nudity are not strange to cinema, the problem is that people assume if Wonder Woman movie happens, it will be a PG13 blockbuster that has to target virtually everybody to pay its budget back. Including families with small kids.

@Feliciano Frontado: Good thing you’re here to inform people they’re wrong for enjoying something and should demand a change, so they can finally enjoy the thing they’re supposed to.

Eh, I chalk the whole thing up to porn parodies ruining everything from my childhood Sonia. There’s been porn parodies of everything from mainstream superheroes to sci-fi classics, to video games, to cartoons I grew up; there’s actually multiple porn versions of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Simpsons, Mario Bros. and E.T. All with live actors. This is especially sad since, as you point out, the last time an actress played Wonder Woman was on TV in the 70s, and now we get a movie of her doing DP before anyone’s actually given a serious attempt at adapting her to TV again, or even a feature film to tie in with the Justice League movie. Think about that – porn beat Warner Bros to the punch, and they’re trying to get a platform ready for a Justice League movie to feature her (and even that movie is starting to look like it will never happen…)

Porn ruins everything, why can’t they just stick to pizza delivery boys and lonely housewives for their characters?

Also, to anyone curious, I recommend staying away from the aforementioned parodies; Brad Jones had reviewed them all on the Cinema Snob, and they’re even worse than they sound….

Also,

” In real life it just isn’t plausible”

Films are not real life. This argument makes even less sense with the usage of CGi becoming a norm.

The key is in deciding for what style/tone/genre/audience the potential movie is going and THEN redesign the costume to fit in. You can’t design a movie Wonder Woman costume in a vacuum, without figuring out first in what kind of movie it is meant to appear. Gritty, grounded, serious? Urban or epic high fantasy? Light-hearted adventure or violent and brutal? Every type of a movie would need a different costume, you can’t just set as a goal creating some general movie Wonder Woman costume. Even in comic books, the costume varies on some level from artist to artist

So it’s believable that, for example, Superman can fight superpowered monsters, villians and aliens wearing a thin suit and cape. But Wonder Woman, who’s nearly as powerful or just as powerful (depends on what era) is less less believable for having bare legs, arms and upper torso?

Seriously, the only thing this article did for me is make me aware of the upcoming XXX Parody of Wonder Woman.

Les Fontenelle

April 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm

How did porn “ruin” anything? For beating WB to the punch? That’s down to WB’s crushing incompetence with their movie adaptations of any DC properties that don’t involve Batman, we can’t blame porn for being more competent than WB. After “Avengers” exploded in movie theaters, I wonder how many people got fired for having let Joss Whedon walk away from the WW project.

Marvel’s studio division is so far ahead that they’re bringing out a “Guardian of the Galaxy” movie, FFS – and when Rocket Raccoon and Gamora beat the Flash and Wonder Woman to the big screens, it’s no longer enough to say that Marvel BEAT DC; at this point Marvel is doing a victory lap while DC doesn’t even know where’s the finish line.

Hey, Anonymous, for a guy that hates these porn parodies, you seem awfully knowledgeable about them.

“The porn costume is great and all but check out the detail they put into the invisible jet behind her!”

Thank you for that Anthony…it made me laugh out loud. :)

I happen to find the standard WW costume way too embarassing to be advisable for a non-porn adaptation.

I don’t find the character particularly succesfull as a concept. But leaving that aside, whatever merits she has surely better not rely on her refusal to wear pants or shirts.

I did the right or left game with my girlfriend and she picked the porn costume as the big budget version and said the Kelly version looked like an adult bookstore costume.

I’m hoping, nay praying that Diana deflects wayward spooge with her bracelets, then ropes the offender with her magic lasso commanding he give her a pearl necklace befitting an Amazonian princess, and he complies…

@mcpc

If the iconic Wonder Woman wore pants, people knew her for pants, and fans got upset when her pants were changed, then the Wonder Woman porn parody would have her wearing pants.

For a porn film, it honestly doesn’t matter whether her costume is a swimsuit, street clothes, or full plate mail armor. They can do sex around it, and eventually remove whatever is necessary.

Porn parodies aren’t the jokes that they used to be. At least some of them aren’t. In some ways, they are like fan films, if fan films had higher production values and gratuitous sex. The people making them know how a geek audience will flip out. The concern shows, and the results show when people respond positively to the trailers and press images. The trailer for the Batman XXX parody looked like a loving tribute to the Adam West Batman. There was a Star Trek parody that had people posting about how great it looked. Some of these films even get recut without the sex scenes, just for the curious who don’t want the porn parts.

And the Wonder Woman film has been getting positive press, and drawing attention and potential buyers, for the costume looking like Wonder Woman and looking “higher quality” than the non-porn-parody versions we’ve been seeing.

James Crankyman

April 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm

This is beyond ridiculous that there are so many people out there taking this discussion to places they didn’t need to go to. Of course WW’s costume is ridiculous. The only person that I think has tackled it with any kind of real gravitas is Alex Ross in KINGDOM COME, giving her the more regal (and warlike) armored version. But unless you’re going into battle against other massively superpowered beings, that’s a little impractical for everyday use.

One thing about Axel Braun’s “Exxxtreme Comixxx” parodies (which the UPCOMING one being referred to here is part of, as opposed to another one that’s out there) that is always top notch is the incredible nods to fandom. Yes, we’ve seen characters like Warbird, Scarlet Witch, Sharon Carter, She-Hulk, Harley Quinn and Wonder Man make it to porn before they’ve ever been in a big-budget film. Their costumes are so incredibly well done and panel-accurate, it seems like instead of porn actors, we’re seeing professional cosplayers getting it on on-screen. Personally, I’m a big fan of Braun’s comic parodies because if you skip all the sex, they usually tell a really cool story with a lot of fan service (as a for instance, the CAPTAIN AMERICA parody opens up with a half-heartedly performed but very well-written nod to Cap’s wake-up from Millar and Hitch’s THE ULTIMATES).

Wonder Woman was designed to be a subliminally fem-submissive character in the dark days of comic book-dom. Since then, the character has changed tthanks to some great writers, but the costume (with the exception of the utterly ridiculous “mod” outfit when she was briefly depowered in the late 60’s) has remained largely the same. I know that the decision to give her pants with Jim Lee’s initial designs for the New 52 fell through, and that upset a lot of people, but if you really examine WW as a character, there are far less examples of her hyper-sexualization throughout her history than, say, Catwoman or Harley Quinn or Black Canary or Zatanna or literally every female character in the Marvel Universe. Ironically, most of those characters wear full bodysuits of one kind or another. WW is the barest of them all because she doesn’t need more protection, by and large. She’s a proud woman who is near-invulnerable, and frankly, no matter how they try to get her out of the costume design she’s had for quite a few decades, nothing will be as iconic or as simple as this design.

And yes, Kimberely Kane is ROCKING that costume.

@Les–

Hmmm, that image isn’t bad. I do wish it had brighter blues and reds. Real-life superhero costumes don’t *have* to look bad in primary colors if they’re done right. I realize that primaries are a throwback to the limitations of four-color printing, but I think the original Spider-Man and Iron Man films proved that you can use bright, primary colors and not have them look silly.

Even the Henry Cavill Superman costume looks plum awful to me, and I think it’d be 75% better with brighter blues rather than that muted gray it’s using.

First off, thank you for this article.

Secondly, to answer your question: “How could something as basic as pants be the problem?”

This question can be applied to most fanboy(girl) matters. Unnecessary inquiries and nit-picking.

It’s the film makers fault for trying to hard to please a certain level of fandom.

For me, the fact that she’s had pants has never been the issue. The issue has been how the costume has been designed with the pants. There’s a way to do it correctly and there’s a way to do it incorrectly, and a lot of the designs have been incorrect in their balancing of the costume.

In my honest opinion, though, the best live action Wonder Woman costume would be a variation of the armour that Donna Troy wore as Wonder Woman in Alan Heinberg’s Who Is Wonder Woman? arc.

Huh?

This doesn’t “disappoint everyone”. Nor does it “surprises no one”.

And there have only been like TWO live-action Wonder Women anyway. And the first one was an exact copy of the costume.

So many flawed premises and weird assumptions! I can’t even begin to understand why on earth–

Oh. This is a Sonia Harris column. That explains it.

Les Fontenelle

April 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm

@Adam –

I agree that the colors could be brighter, my point was that this is the direction the WW movie’s art direction should go. At least if WB intends to follow on Marvel’s blueprint for successful adaptations, which in the case of a WW movie would probably mean a superhero/fantasy mashup – like “Thor” was.

On the other hand, if WB decides to keep the swimsuit and go campy with the WW movie I wouldn’t mind a Farrely Bros comedy where the strapless swimsuit was played for laughs. Hell, it couldn’t be any worse than “Green Lantern”, and it would definitely be a fresh take on superhero movies… not to mention that the outrage on the internetz would be HILARIOUS. :D

Lois Lane’s Amazon outfit in that episode of smallville with the convention was my favourite wonder woman outfit. Or whatever it was Lucy Lawless wore in Xena.

@Les –

The whole reason why WB feels the need to muck around with the source material to the point of ruining it is because they don’t respect the superhero genre like Marvel Films does and clearly think it’s beneath them so they change things just to distance themselves from the comics/genre. Of course Marvel has proven that the mainstream does want accurate adaptations of the comics, but WB just doesn’t care.

The porn version is great but when Jim Lee took an attempt to modernized WW with pants in a similar tone to the porn version their was an uproar. And even the porn version is taking a cue from the new design currently displayed is Brian Azzarello ‘s take which by the way is a very good read. All I’m saying is with WW there is no win/win. Even when looking at her battle armor, reality tells me she cannot wear that thing all the time. So just leave well enough alone.

As was stated in the article, while WW may not be the most popular heroine in the niche and insular comic book world, she is without a shadow of a doubt THE most instantly recognisable super heroine amongst the broader populace.
So if the idiots at WB ever get round to making a WW movie – the general public will know exactly what they expect to see when entering the movie theatre. And if they instead see some spandex clad, pant wearing faux WW running around on screen they’re going to be thinking “WTF? Who the hell is this supposed to be?” and the movie will BOMB!
Surely, the fact that the studio wants to make a WW movie means they recognise the character’s huge popularity across the broader spectrum and that people will WANT to see a movie based upon this iconic character. If not, then why bother making it at all?
There was an incredible amount of excitement and buzz when David E Kelly announced that he was making the TV pilot and the vast majority of that buzz was from the general public – not comic book fans – who were intrigued that a character they have grown with and love was coming back to their screens. It was only when the first images were realised depicting the laughable Halloween costume and shiny pants that people started questioning what this had to do with WW? And then of course when they finally heard the script it was just confirmation that DEK’s show was NOTHING to do with Wonder Woman in any shape or form.
Are those that bang on about bare legs being impractical living under the assumption that Greek warriors all wore pants?? “It’s not practical for physical activities” they say. Really? Should female tennis players wear pants then? Athletes? Soccer players? Gymnasts? Why are bare legs so unacceptable? And those that talk about how cheesy the costume is were probably all ironically happy to watch Captain America run around in what is arguable are far more comical and dated costume – but because it was Marvel it was somehow more “acceptable, realistic and appropriate”.
The fact is WW has ALWYAS been about contradictions. She promotes peace but is a warrior. . She fights evil but forgives her enemies…She is an innocent virgin yet is the sexiest woman on the planet. This is what makes her fascinating and unique as a character. And she is the symbol of female empowerment not just because she is confident, smart, and strong – but because she is not afraid to deny her own femininity and her costume is very much a statement of that fact. ” Look at me. Yes, I am a woman. I’m proud of the fact. Deal with it.” And yet there are some people here who want to de-sexualise her, and “dress her like a man” by wearing pants. Why?
Either make a WW movie using the character as she was envisaged to be or don’t. Because any attempt to do a multi-million dollar cinematic equivalent of the Cathy-Lee-Crosby fiasco will only result in a turkey that will ensure we will NEVER see the real WW on the big screen ever again.

My beef with the Kelly version was not the pants; it was those awful implants. I can accept whatever fashion WW chooses to wear, but asking me to believe breast augmentations are standard practice on an island populated only by women is a bit too much.

This just reminds me of a recent episode of Arrow, where Huntress returns to town, and the first scene we see is her disguised as a stripper to get a crook to go in the VIP room with her so she can interrogate him. The stripper costume she wears looks just like what Huntress looked like in Birds of Prey pre-new 52. This was a cute Easter egg, but also pointed out how ridiculous that costume was. When Helena Bertinelli first appeared in comics, her costume was the typical tight fitting outfit that showed off her perfect body, but it covered her entire body, and it had the purpose of being body armor. Suddenly, in Birds of Prey, she pretty much dressed like a stripper.
My basic opinion about Wonder Woman’s costume is that she has to look like Wonder Woman, period. I had a friend who would not buy the new 52 at first because he heard they were changing all the costumes. I showed him a picture of the Justice League, and he was suddenly relieved, because all the heroes still looked like themselves. Whether her costume is based on a bikini, battle armor, ancient Greek fashions, Olympic athlete apparel, its all the same with me, as long as she still wears red, white, and blue and has a tiara and bracelets. I think this should be obvious, since every attempt to go for a radical change has failed, as shown by the fact that she is no longer wearing a white jump suit.

@ Rene

Because I watch a lot of the Cinema Snob; porn parodies are one of his favorite topics for film reviews. they’re usually more than just bad, and just seeing the edited clips on his show are enough to ruin it everytime I go back and watch/read the source material it’s based on. Seriously, watch the TMNT or ET porn reviews he does. You don’t see any actually dirty bits, but it’ll stay in your head and fuck with you the next time you watch the TV shows/movies.

Heh, watching porn without the dirty bits, isn’t that like paying a hooker to have a conversation with you? Okay, sorry for the jokes. I suppose I’m fortunate, my mind is more self-cleaning, I can ignore the lesser versions of a movie I like, as long as I don’t try to watch them in the same day. A good night’s sleep is usually enough to purge me of parodies, inferior sequels, remakes and such like.

The Hey, Dude Fan

April 4, 2013 at 9:45 am

“The wardrobe dept certainly took a cue from filmmakers like Christopher Nolan and Bryan Singer.”

Wait, porn production companies have “wardrobe departments”? ;)

(And yes, I’m aware that wardrobe is essentially the topic of this whole conversation).

It’s not just that the porn star’s outfit works because it embraces the porn-star-ness; the TV show costume and actress look MORE pornographic. Kane looks muscular, sexy and dignified. Palicki looks confused and uncomfortable; it’s hard to convince the viewer that she’s CHOOSING to wear that costume, and hasn’t been forced into it by a director. Honestly, I think the pornographers just understand the dynamics of power and sex better than Kelley does.

@Elpie

Palacki’s costume looks like something that was bought at a costume shop.

Kane’s costume looks comparable what you’d see in a modern Spider-Man or Superman movie. Even if you don’t like that style, Kane’s outfit simply looks like someone took seriously the task of making the outfit.

It’s kind of ironic to me that the David E. Kelly version looks more like something out of a porn parody than the other one.

I agree. The porn one looks like its from the next big budget movie. The other one is just … blah. Much like the pilot was. Like a Halloween costume.

Comic book fanboys suffer from a terrible inferiority complex that feeds into the general snobbery many in the artistic community have towards superheros. It is unfortunate and results in Comic book movies made by and for people who hate comic books. “Realism” in superhero films is an artistic non-starter since superheros are not nor were ever intended to be “realistic”–though that word is essentially meaningless in a film world of CGI anything goes law of physics. We can have regular humans leap 50 feet in the air. 5 foot non-power females defeat five 6 foot two 200 pound male soldiers.

BUT GOD FORBID WONDER WOMAN OR SUPERMAN WEAR THEIR COSTUMES!!!!! OH THE SHAME OF IT!!! PEOPLE WILL MAKE FUN OF US!!! WE WON’T GET INVITED TO ALL THE BEST PARTIES!!!

The most successful iconic and faithful superhero adaptations have had the superheros in their costumes. From the 40s movie serials to the George and Christopher Reeves SUPERMAN adaptions to the Carter WW especially the first season to the West BATMAN. The success of the Marvel films have been specifically because the characters are wearing their identifiable suits and are FUN!!

If comic book fanboys hate comic books so much maybe they should think about going somewhere else. DANCING WITH THE STARS perhaps??

um,though all very good points I’m prety sure one of the probs with ww outfit is its look,on tv they have been very strict and somwhate stupid about such things just read/ watch any interviwe with barbra eden about her outfite for i dream of genie.what passes in a movie offten well not on tv.as for the porn movies having outfites that closer relates to comics thats to be expected after all lets face it porn is a visural thing so everything as to look a certian way and sinch ww is pretty much the first female most guys had a crush/dirty thoughts about it only stands to reason that the guys who film these porn parodies would try to make it look as close to comics as possable,as the saying goes girls dream of their wedding day to prince charming from child hood boys dream of their wedding night with wonder woman from child hood. :p

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