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Our Lives Together – Daredevil and Iron Man Share a Party Scene

In this feature, I will spotlight some of the more interesting examples of shared comic book universes. You know, crossovers that aren’t exactly crossovers.

For the first one, we’ll take a look at an interesting party scene in two Denny O’Neil comic books in 1983, when Daredevil #195 and Iron Man #171 shared a party scene.

In Daredevil #195, Matt Murdock’s ex-girlfriend, Heather Glenn, saw her life spiral out of control after their break-up. She began drinking too much and in this issue, accidentally spills Matt’s secret identity to someone she shouldn’t have…

Daredevil resolved the situation but Glenn was never really the same and she eventually ended up killing herself towards the end of O’Neil’s run.

That same month (or maybe the next month), in Iron Man #171, we see that same party from Tony Stark’s perspective. Tony is the midst of his slow descent into the gutter with his alcohol addiction (things had gotten so bad that he was no longer even Iron Man anymore, as his friend James Rhodes was filling in). Tony befriended Heather and they had shared some “good” times together while they were both spiraling, leading to this party…

Clever idea by O’Neil.

If you can think of another example of an interesting piece of shared continuity within a shared comic book universe, drop me a line at bcronin@comicbookresources.com!


At least Tony got out of his drinking binge alive. :(

Given the fatality rate among his exes, Matt Murdock should have a sign over his bedroom door: “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.”

@kalorama — Given the fatality rate among his exes, Matt Murdock should have a sign over his bedroom door: “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.”


at least tony track record with woman are they are still living and are his exes plus he got smart to finaly get help daredevil any woman who hooks up with him winds up either dead or insane.proving daredevil is not romanace material unless a woman is crazy for love

It has been noted that Matt’s girlfriend’s fathers rarely survive for long. Odd.

It’s not really that odd, it’s simply the sad result of two writing trends:

1) Ever since Miller’s revival, the defining trait of Daredevil has been that he’s an angsty superhero, perhaps the angstiest in the Marvel universe.

2) Killing the female partner of a male superhero (i.e. the Women in Refrigerators phenomenon) is a popular way for writers to give the hero angst.

I think “shitty personal life” is more accurate than “angsty”.

A Horde of Evil Hipsters

May 12, 2013 at 6:44 am

” I think “shitty personal life” is more accurate than “angsty”. ”

Indeed. Matt Murdock has never been written as particularly angsty. He is, however, batshit insane most of the time. Murdock having a nervous breakdown was pretty much the point of the entire Bendis run, for example.

Miller wrote Matt as mentally ill at some level, having him go bonkers and dig up Elektra’s grave. Heck, no small part of why Heather Glenn falls apart is that Matt deliberately destroys her chances of running her father’s company in order to try and corner her into marrying him.

“Born Again” was probably meant to be Murdock moving past his issues, with issue #191’s subtext that even Matt’s legal career was the result of his serious issues with his father being paid off in a happier Murdock not seeming all that interested in getting his disbarment undone. Unfortunately, there were further issues of Daredevil to be published, and on top of that everyone kept trying to do their own versions of “Born Again” until there wasn’t even enough earth left to scorch.

Yeah, every time Miller came back to Daredevil he made him a little more mentally unbalanced than he was before. By the time Miller revised DD’s origin in the MAN WITHOUT FEAR mini he did with John Romita Jr., Matt Murdock was more crazy than heroic.

Granted, my Daredevil reading history is very on-and-off (pretty much just the famous stuff), but even just from hearing other people talk about it, it seems like ever since the ’80s DD has been on an up-down cycle. One writer makes his life suck, the next pulls him back from the brink, then his life sucks, then he’s back, over and over.

It seems like whenever the writing changes hands, I hear someone at my local comic shop either say “Yeah, this run is gonna be a lot more lighthearted” or “Oh man, looks like DD’s in trouble again”.

Wow, haven’t thought of these issues in awhile– thanks for the cool post, Brian. Have to say, I miss this version of Marvel continuity– I always liked the little touches and suggestions of a shared universe than the endless “event” crossovers they’ve seemed swamped by in the last decade.

TjCoolGuy: the crazy to lighthearted ratio for DD writers post-Miller is like 10 to 1. The only writers I remember being really dedicated to a lighthearted Daredevil post Miller are Bob Gale, Karl Kesel, and Mark Waid.

Waid is writing both.

Yeah, it’s funny how people goes on about how Waid is doing a lighthearted take on DD which finally moves the book out of Miller’s shadow, when the main plot thus far (mystery villain targets Matt’s private life, trying to drive him insane) is textbook post-Miller DD. And that’s not even getting into the morbid stuff with Coyote, or necrophiliac Mole Man.

Of course, that’s still light compared to the relentlessly bleak Brubaker/Diggle runs. But I think that if Lark, Maleev or de la Torre was still drawing the book it really wouldn’t be perceived as some sort of clean break with the past.

Travis Stephens

May 13, 2013 at 9:32 am

I see two lists coming. All of Daredevil’s dead ex-lovers and their dead relatives. And all of Tony Stark’s live lovers and their dead relatives.

These party scenes clearly take place in alternate universes. In one, she says “Tony, hon, I’m gonna mingle.” In the other, she says “Tones, hon, I’m gonna mingle.”

(I am kidding of course, but it does seem kind of odd that they would plan that “crossover” so deliberately and then not make sure the dialogue was 100% exact.)

Also, “Tones”? What a lame nickname. She MUST have been drunk.

@kalorama —

Given the fatality rate among his exes, Matt Murdock should have a sign over his bedroom door: “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

Shouldn’t that be “Abandon all hope, ye who are entered here”…?

“it does seem kind of odd that they would plan that “crossover” so deliberately and then not make sure the dialogue was 100% exact.”

I would guess it was written to be 100% exact, and then the Daredevil editor realized that it wasn’t clear to have an unidentified character off-panel call another unidentified character off panel “Tones”, so they fixed it to Tony, and nobody changed the other one.

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