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Abandoned Love: How Geoff Johns Fixed Cyborg


Every week, we will be examining comic book stories, plots and ideas that were abandoned by a later writer while still acknowledging that the abandoned story DID still happen. Click here for an archive of all the previous editions of Abandoned Love. Feel free to e-mail me at bcronin@comicbookresources.com if you have any suggestions for future editions of this feature.

This time around, we look at how Cyborg was brought back to being, well, you know, Cyborg after being “missing” for a decade…

Okay, Marv Wolfman began it all in 1991 with the Titans Hunt, when one of the Titans own teammates, Jericho, turns on the rest of the team and captures them all. We learn where they’re being held in New Titans #75…


Later in the issue, though, they are sent off in rockets…




In New Titans #77, the Titans head to the U.S.S.R. where they learn WHICH of their teammates was in the exploded rocket…




They bring Cyborg home with them (with Red Star along for the ride) and Cyborg ends up becoming a Titan again, only he does not really interact with anyone. They keep trying to fix him, though.

Eventually, though, in a storyline in New Titans #102-107, a cybernetic alien race uses Cyborg’s body as essentially their interface with the world. Because of the machinations of their evil leader, Vic is returned to full brain functions in New Titans #106…




In the next issue, though, once the Technis’ evil leader is defeated, Cyborg is no longer able to function. However, he is able to instead merge with the Technis world and keep on living as part of them, which is what he does, as they fly off into outer space…



Twenty issues later, the Technis show up again, and they have an agent operating for them independent of their world, named Cyberion…


He meets up with the Titans and reveals that Cyberion is their old friend Cyborg…


Vic is cold and distant, since he is part of the Technis. The next issue, though, the Technis world is destroyed. The grief over the loss of the world kickstarts Vic’s emotions again…


In the end, Vic decides to travel the universe along with his pal Changeling…


And that is how Marv Wolfman left him at the end of 1995.

The journey to getting Vic Stone from “Cyberion” to “Cyborg” was a long and complicated process that took three writers and four years.

First, Devin Grayson used Cyberion as the basis of the JLA vs. Titans storyline, where Vic falls victim to his Technis-side and tries to take over Earth…



In the end, the Titans are able to stop the Technis, but in the process they might lose Vic! They manage to corral his “soul,” but where to put it? Luckily, the Titans had a fancy shapeshifting machine called the Omegadrome. They decide to try to contain Vic’s soul in the Omegadrome…


and it works!!!


So now Vic is back to his normal personality, but stuck in a robotic body…


JLA/Titans led into a Titans ongoing series by Devin Grayson (eventually Jay Faerber started co-writing the book). In an early story, Cyborg (he went back to being called Cyborg, even though he was not a Cyborg at all at this point) is offered a human body by Vandal Savage. Before he can decide, Starfire made the decision for him.

In Titans #20, though (Grayson’s last issue as co-writer), Nightwing makes him a nicer offer…a clone of Vic’s original body…


The operation is a success…




So that was how they left it for a few years before Geoff Johns stepped into the fray.

In 2001’s Flash: Out Worlds at War, Johns first brings Cyborg to Keystone City where Wally West lives…



Here Johns establishes that when Cyborg goes into battle, he uses the omegadrome to approximate his old costume…



Clever idea. Here Cyborg explains it to Wally…


Step one complete! Step two is in a battle with the Flash villain the Thinker from #186-188, Cyborg is attacked by the robotic Thinker while in his “battle mode” and the process, in effect, kills the shapeshifting abilities of the Omegadrome, thus leaving Cyborg stuck in his Cyborg form permanently….




I love the “the process made it change colors.” Johns really just WENT for it.

And thus, after a decade, Cyborg was back as good as new. It is stories like this that got Geoff Johns a reputation for being great at fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled.

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Well ‘fixed’ might be a bit much. I actually liked the idea of Victor finally able to live a normal life, well closer to it than his original incarnation.

So much for happy endings.

I like how John’s approach to ‘fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled’ is to just revert to some enshrined but played out status quo :/

I agree with Livewire. I don’t think Johns so much “fixes” characters as “makes them like they used to be.” He’s done it to so many characters, it’s hard to keep track of at this point, but I think my least favorite was changing Hal from The Specter to Green Lantern again. I liked the arc that took him to being Specter, and everything after that seemed like a step backward.

Out of curiosity, how did Gar Logan get back to Earth? I (perhaps mistakenly) remember him being around before Vic returned in the JLA/Titans miniseries by Grayson and Jimenez.

Wolfman’s Titans really went downhill during and after Titans’ Hunt. It is a testament to their previous glory that the book lasted so long in such a sorry state.

Typo – “Out Worlds at War”… “Our”, obviously.

Out of curiosity, how did Gar Logan get back to Earth? I (perhaps mistakenly) remember him being around before Vic returned in the JLA/Titans miniseries by Grayson and Jimenez.

I believe JLA/Titans reveals that Vic dropped Gar back off on Earth some time before JLA/Titans began. Gar asked him to do so when Vic started acting more robotic.

Chris McFeely

May 17, 2013 at 5:25 am

Now, would I be wrong in thinking this was for synchronicity with the Teen Titans cartoon? ’cause this was around the time that Changeling went back to “Beast Boy”, wasn’t it? In advance of the launch of the new Teen Titans comic?

Luis, Titans Hunt was great. It was only when Grummet left at issue 100 that the book went down hill (and went down hard).

As for Cyborg, I liked the gold Cyborg in Keystone. I agree with the other posters who view the back to silver as a reversion more than a fix.

‘Chris McFeely’ used to run an awesome Digimon website ‘Chris McFeely’?

This isn’t really much of a “fix” so much as an unnecessary reset, right? I mean, I guess the melodrama of Cyborg being trapped as half-machine/half-man is more interesting than if he’s just a guy who chooses to be half-machine some of the time, but still… this is like when Johns removed Wally’s ability to channel his uniform out of the Speed Force. It isn’t bad and the replacement (the costume in the ring) wasn’t terrible, but was it really necessary?

I have to agree that ‘fix’ isn’t the word I’d choose to use about this, I’d use ‘regress’ since all Johns did was return Vic to what he once was, no moving forwards, no moving backwards beyond a certain point (mainly the spot in time Johns believes the character were at their coolest).

And despite how Johns claims to adore Cyborg, he is probably the writer that uses him the least. He is in the books, but rarely adds anything to them that’s truly unique. He might be on the JL founder list but he is primarily the transport, the tech-genious could (or in my mind; should) have been performed by Steel.

I’ll just add that Vic’s golden body was inspired by his look in KINGDOM COME. Post-1996, DC started sneaking in a lot of KC references and having several characters taking on their future looks.

I wouldn’t accuse Johns of regressing the characters. Most Big-2 comics characters are on a similar cycle, continuous loop.

Basic foundation of character – shocking event/new status quo – illusion of change – reset/reboot – repeat

Cyborg is the best!

“It is stories like this that got Geoff Johns a reputation for being great at fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled.”

And then the New 52 hit, and something went horribly, horribly wrong.

Cyborg will never be fully fixed until he is best friends with Gar Logan again. It isn’t important what he looks like. Their friendship is what defined and humanized the characters and made them awesome.

“It is stories like this that got Geoff Johns a reputation for being great at fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled.”

So many one care to explain how he ‘improved’ Bart Allen, taking him from Impulse, a unique, humorous spin on the speedster motif, to the dour, generic Kid Flash?

Vic and Gar are still best friends in Teen Titans Go, vastly preferable to most of the New 52.

Like others here, I don’t see this as a “fix” at all… If anything, Johns – once again! – decided he liked the character from the time when he saw him/her in a Supefriends cartoon.

So he just wiped away a bunch of character evolution (and a happy ending!) to bring back the 80s version of Cyborg.

Quite frankly, while this is probably an unpopular opinion, I feel Bendis and Johns are the two reasons why Marvel and DC are all about licensing now (meaning the movies, toys, video games, and underwear is more important to people than, you know, the comics that spawned the characters)…

Bendis’ incorporation of other-franchise characters into the Avengers simply proved to dilute the other “brands” and, in combination with his insanely decompressed writing style? He made the rest of the MU, well, just not matter any more… And following the Avengers simply became an exercise in “oh, okay, so I guess we’re just filling time until the next unexciting event series…” I really don’t think the MU has recovered. (Hell, the ultra-popular – critically at least! – Hawkeye series is centered more on the Avengers film version of Hawkeye than the character we all grew to love as a leader in the WCA.)

And Johns… Sheesh. The man has always catered more to the action-figure crowd than the comics-reading crowd. He “fixes” everything by reverting each character, team, etc. to ULTRA-BASIC, easy-to-follow concepts that only serve to make the entire DC universe as “vanilla” as possible. Gone is the creative spirit from the 90s when Morrison would proudly state, “these aren’t your Dad’s comics!” and legacy characters were taking the mantles of their progenitors, the DC universe was exciting and unpredictable, and Vertigo was thriving. Thanks to Johns, we got a Titans team that merged a few YJ characters with the team from the 80s, the return of Hal Jordan (along with nice, color-coded bad guys in the form of Red Lanterns and Orange Lanterns and Yellow Lanterns … I mean, screw trying to create interesting subplots when you can more easily go all “G.I.Joe vs. Cobra” and smash kewl action figures together!!!), a Superman based on the Donner films, a Hawkman and Hawkgirl that more closely resembled the old Supefriends couple (hey, they’re reincarnated every so often so this makes sense!!!), and, ultimately, the creation – along with Lee’s outdated designs – of a New 52. Which has just sapped any enthusiasm I have for DC…

Sorry to get all “crazy” here… But I used to LOVE comics from the Big Two. And from age 4 to age 40, I bought a bunch from both companies. Now, however? I don’t buy any comics from Marvel or DC at all. They have completely lost me as a reader.

And, yes, (with all apologies to their fans) I blame Bendis and Johns.

Chris McFeely

May 17, 2013 at 7:11 am

XP_version1 said: ‘Chris McFeely’ used to run an awesome Digimon website ‘Chris McFeely’?

Oh! Um, yes, that’s me! *waves*

I think Marvel’s recovered a lot from Bendis in the last couple of years under Alonso, honestly. As for DC, my biggest gripe with the current regime is that the New 52, including Johns’ take on the characters, is relentlessly grim, dark, with a lot of needless killing and anti-heroism. I loved a lot of what Johns did before, but since the reboot, he’s made the Justice League, Green Lantern and Aquaman into characters I would not care to meet, much less look up to. Johns’ treatment of Wonder Woman (Diana, specifically, rather than her supporting cast) is arguably worse than Azzarello’s in terms of being mindlessly violent and bloodthirsty with a hair-trigger temper. I think it’s all very, very sad.

I trust that DC will recover eventually from this, but I have no idea when things will get back to normal.

the only fixed geof did was beside bring cyborg out of limbo is making so cyborg is the cool character he was ment to be even if he had to strip cyborg of being able to be human by shutting down the omegadome and turning him back to his old metal look and possibly a full cyborg again.

That “Cyborg’s Ready!” splash page is gayer than the volleyball scene in Top Gun. He certainly looks ready – at least ready to be the guest of honour at Mardi Gras! Thank god he started wearing pants.

“And thus, after a decade, Cyborg was back as good as new. It is stories like this that got Geoff Johns a reputation for being great at fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled. ”

When did you become a comedy writer? Got to admit, that one floored me.

Aquaman is the best it’s been since Steve Skeates and Jim Aparo were on board 30yrs ago. And he’s no more or less grim than he was back then – let’s not forget the death of his child setting the tone of the book back then.

I don’t think New 52 is any more/ less grim than DC of the past 30 years. I think you’re reminiscing through rose tinted glasses. In the 80s Superman was executing super villains and going mental, Batman’s protege was brutally murdered, Batgirl was crippled, and so on, and so on. Sue Dibny? Batman’s memory being altered by Zatanna? Death of Superman, Batman crippled, Azbats etc, etc, etc.

DC hasn’t been “light and fluffy” for over 35 years.

It just occurred to me that Johns *added* a snaggle to Superboy’s continuity. Superboy was originally a clone of Superman, then changed about a year later to be a clone of Cadmus director Paul Westfield with modifications to make him look like Superman. (Within the context of where Karl Kesel was taking Superboy, this worked.) Johns, as a kid, wrote a fan-letter to DC saying “Wouldn’t it be cool if he was a clone of Lex Luthor instead?”

A decade later, Johns is writing for DC and decides to add that very wrinkle, just to make his fanboy letter come true. To this day, I can’t read a Superboy comic without having to mull over the fact that the character was altered to fulfill a childhood dream. It’s annoying.

And we’re also close to the 20th anniversary of Hal Jordan going insane and murdering Sinestro and killing hundreds or possibly thousands of Green Lanterns when he destroyed the power battery. Forgot about that one…

“I believe JLA/Titans reveals that Vic dropped Gar back off on Earth some time before JLA/Titans began. Gar asked him to do so when Vic started acting more robotic.” >> A slight addendum, Gar Logan returned in TEEN TITANS (the Dan Jurgens series) for the last story arc in issues #21-24. So that’s when he parted ways with Vic.

As for Vic, I was sorta fine with what Faerber/Grayson did with the cloned body. It’s OK for characters to have “endings” and evolution. I believe Jay Faerber had a notion of making Vic a DEO Agent of some sort, with his Cyborg powers internal, like the Six Million Dollar Man. I dunno, that still makes him a cyborg…I’m kinda OK with that.

I’m sorta OK with Geoff Johns’ fix, I guess, in that every character has his or her “iconic” version, and this is Vic’s. But the solution via The Thinker (complete with color change) was rather clumsy.

No rose-colored glasses here–I’m not talking about bad things happening to the heroes, but them being made into anti-heroic jerks in the new continuity. Aquaman’s child died, yes, and under various writers he even killed at times, but he wasn’t an unlikeable jerk. “I don’t talk to fish, I control their tiny minds,” he sneers in Aquaman #1–compare that with Peter David’s treatment of Aquaman as someone who actually connects with aquatic life in genuinely interesting ways.

Re Hal going insane, yes, he did. It was awful, yes. But it was supposed to be a BAD THING, not something OK and acceptable as part of who the character is. Now Hal happily shoots off opponents’ heads with power-ring bazookas as part of his ordinary status quo, and he acts like a jerk the rest of the time. That’s the sort of difference I’m talking about. And oh God, what they’ve done to Wonder Woman and the Amazons is sickening, but I’m trying not to stray away from Johns here, so I’ll just say that Johns’ treatment of Diana in Justice League is vile.

“I like how John’s approach to ‘fixing characters whose continuity had gotten too snaggled’ is to just revert to some enshrined but played out status quo :/”


Lots of people here are complaining about Geoff Johns brining Hal back as GL just completely boggles my mind. Geoff Johns FIXED the Green Lantern brand and made it stronger than it has ever been, ever. He is responsible for turning the character into one of DC’s best selling comics. Rebirth is a good series, but Sinestro Corp War is one the best events DC has had in recent memory. None of that happens without Geoff Johns.
There’s a lot I don’t like about the guys comics, his current Justice League run (to say nothing of his reimagining of Captain Marvel) is embarissing, but give him credit where it’s due. His Teen Titans work is excellent, his Stargirl work is excellent, his Green Lantern work is one of the best handlings of the character ever, his Superboy work was great, the weekly series ’52’ is a hell of a lot of fun — give the guy some credit.

I think the thing that bothers me with some of these “reversions to status quo” is that they’re not quite. People on various boards talk about it being rebooted back to the Silver Age, but they’re not; if they were I might like them more. Taking Green Lantern again, replacing Kyle with Hal is one thing, but giving the Corps license to kill with impunity, making the Guardians outright evil, etc. (and again making Hal an unlikeable jerk in the new continuity) seems to take little but the name “Hal Jordan” with none of what made him a good character.

so pantha was x-24 years before there was ever an x-23?

Yes, pre-New-52 Johns had some very good things, and I consistently liked a lot of it. Even in the Sinestro Corps War I thought it was suggesting that the revision of the Laws to allow the GLC to kill was a bit of a mistake that would come back to bite them, and I assumed it would be a temporary thing, not the new status quo. As a story, there, that was not a bad idea–but setting it up as the new permanent way things are is something else again.

52 was fantastic, but to be fair, it involved several other excellent writers who deserve just as much credit.

Maybe it’s not Geoff’s fault–maybe he’s under pressure from his higher-ups who are making him write the characters this way, though he seems pretty able to do what he wants with a lot of freedom. I don’t know what happened to him between pre-Flashpoint and Flashpoint and after.

The thing that really strikes me about the article is that everything upto Johns feels like an evolution of the character. And then suddenly it all comes crashing to a halt and slams into reverse.

To me, at a certain point in time, DC was a great universe because it was all about evolution and legacy. Things moved forward in a relatively natural way. And Kyle and Wally were a product of this. And then Johns kinda pissed all over them.

Geoff Johns FIXED the Green Lantern brand and made it stronger than it has ever been, ever. He is responsible for turning the character into one of DC’s best selling comics. Rebirth is a good series, but Sinestro Corp War is one the best events DC has had in recent memory. None of that happens without Geoff Johns.

I quite liked Johns’s run right up through the endof the Sinestro Corps War, but the extension of that idea to seven corps mostly hasn’t worked for me and has, I think, genericized a lot of the franchise. Creating six armies of characters who share a powerset will do that.

The one really great creation of the War of Light stuff, Larfleeze, arguably doesn’t need the “emotional spectrum” gimmick and could easily stand alone as some really powerful, ultra-greedy alien dude. But then, I also don’t quite see why the Guardians needed to turn evil and “anti-emotion” either, somethign that was never really part of their concept. (Writers have seemingly wanted to write out the Guardians since at least the 1980s, of course.)

Johns’s Flash is especially odd, in that his initial run was excellent and fleshed out the aspects of the book Mark Waid hadn’t gotten to during his run. It’s when he tried to “fix” stuff in that book that he went off the rails, starting with Bart and culiminating in the trainwreck of Barry’s return. There, he tried unsuccessfully to repeat many of the concepts and story beats from GL’s “Rebirth” — making the Silver Age guy central, making the major “dark mirror” villain responsible for a huge personality-changing retcon of the lead, turning the cosmic concept of previous writers into an extension of character personality, and so forth. The whole thing stunk.

These problems were simply cemented by the Johns-helmed reboot of the DCU. The Manapaul relaunch book has been pretty, but reads like a lesser Image comic in its plotting; as with Hal’s civilian life falling by the wayside after a few stabs at setting it up early in Johns’s GL run, Barry’s life is out of focus when he’s out of costume. His role as a CSI, which Johns sold as a point in favor of resurrecting the character, barely factored into Johns’s relaunched book and hasn’t mattered a whit in the Manapaul stuff.

Indeed, so much of the New 52 seems to be trading on the usual “post-Crisis” gimmick of repeatedly showing us how superficially different the new 52 take on well-established characters can be. It’s fine to reimagine a character; it’s bad to reimagine a character with fewer dimensions or a weaker high concept than the “old” version. And that’s been the New 52 all over, a series of art-before-plot redesigns and . But in many ways its the Johns method minus any real effort at plotting or characterization that paved the way for all of the prblems of the New 52. Johns himself has gradually lost that element of his own work, though; I don’t feel like the guy currently writing JL and JLA and Aquaman will develop a character like the Johns/Kolins version of Captain Cold anytime soon.

Hell, the ultra-popular – critically at least! – Hawkeye series is centered more on the Avengers film version of Hawkeye than the character we all grew to love as a leader in the WCA.

I don’t get where this comes from at all, since Fraction’s Hawkeye isn’t a humorless SHIELD agent so much as a raffish outsider who not-so-secretly longs to belong…much more, really, the pre-WCA version of the character than anything else. What elements of the movie version, who’s basically the Ultimates version prior to the last arc of The Ultimates 2, are present in this take on Hawkeye?

Ye gods, that 90’s art.

Gar’s mullet is particularly ugly.

Charles J Baserap

May 17, 2013 at 9:04 am

I’m still waiting for more Cyborg in the DCnU, considering DC went out of its way to repeatedly justify his inclusion as a founding member of the JL and he’s done next to nothing but make cameos and every other member of the team has at least one solo title, and VIBE and KATANA have their own books, and still NOTHING for Vic.

I don’t read that much DC so I had no idea Cyborg went through so many changes over the years.

And on that last panel of the final change, he looks really bummed about it all, thinking to himself how much it sucks to be a good character being used so badly.

Omar, I’m certainly not oblivious to the fact that the Marvel film universe is centered on Millar and Hitch’s Ultimates.

However, my point about the Hawkeye book being more like the film version is its “blank slate” view of the character. I wouldn’t call Renner’s performance entirely humorless; that Hawkeye, due to his S.H.I.E.L.D. ties is just a bit more “professional.” However, the look of the book, the costume, and even panel sequences seem to come straight from the world of Marvel film rather than the MU that used to include a West Coast branch of Avengers or Thunderbolts team led by the archer in purple. The current Hawkeye comic assumes you have no inclination who this character is … or why you should care about him. Other than perhaps your passing familiarity with, again, the film version. That, hey, looks just like this one!

Oh, and one more negative “fix” by Johns? The inclusion of Parallax and Hector Hammond into a GL film that was originally based on the brilliant Emerald Dawn miniseries by Priest and Giffen. Instead of a fight with Legion and the Corps? We got a big amorphous blob. Great work, Johns.

Black ROBOCOP is one of the worst character designs ever.

seriously, please somebody kill him off.

Charles J Baserap

May 17, 2013 at 10:14 am

@MCKRACKEN, I can only imagine that you’re trolling, given how Cyborg debuted in 1980 and Robocop debuted in 1987..?

I would imagine he’s referring to later designs, not the original one.

its not the debut, its about looking stupid.

“Cyborg will never be fully fixed until he is best friends with Gar Logan again. It isn’t important what he looks like. Their friendship is what defined and humanized the characters and made them awesome.”

Amen! One thing I hate reading about the Nu52, is that all of the characterization is out the window. Dick’s a loner, Kory’s a goldfish, Donna and Wally are gone, and Gar and Vic never met.

@Ed I liked Pantha because she was a new element. Discovering more about her was one of the things I looked forward to.

haw haw, that “gold” cyborg is pure comedy ‘gold’.

Truthfully, I’d say the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as they insist on calling it, is much more the “mainstream” Marvel universe with the look of the Ultimate characters. We’re not going to see a cannibal Hulk or a treacherous Black Widow in the films anytime soon, for example. Movie Hawkeye is actualyl unusual in being a pretty straight adaptation of the Ultimate character.

I also think you’re not reading Hawkeye the same way a lot of others are. That version of Clint Barton is hardly the cool, calculating professional of the Ultimate Universe or the films. Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye simply wouldn’t make the sorts of sloppy mistakes the comic version does; can you see the character as portrayed by Renner hanging out at a rooftop barbecue with Gil/Grills or impulsively sleeping with Cherry? I certainly can’t. That’s very much the “616” Barton’s personality, right down to the speech patterns.

The movie Barton is a the well-trained, almost boring SHIELD agent who actually recruited the Black Widow while on a mission, and who hardly even talks in anything but mission-speak. Fraction’s Hawkeye is a million miles from it. There’s also the fact that Fraction has brough in quite a bit of Clint’s comics past, whether it’s his three exes in the current pseudo-arc, the litany of classic trick arrows in that issue Brian featured some weeks back, or even the way we’ve gotten a new and villainous Swordsman to replace the old version.

I do not miss urine-colored Cyborg.

I’m torn on a lot of the “good Johns reboot/bad Johns reboot” stuff, but I would say some of them were good and some of them were bad. The one thing I’m surprised to see so many people agree on is that simplification is a bad thing compared to evolution. Sometimes, sure, a character takes a great story arc over time and then it’s just swept away. But a lot of the time, it just gets confusing and convoluted and dense.

That’s the reason I stopped reading X-Men books (and pretty much Marvel in general) for 15 years before “Marvel Now”. At some point, only a year or two after having been a regular X-Men reader, I opened an issue and said to myself “Who the hell are any of thse people?” It gets so you have to be a comic-book historian to have any clue what’s going on.

I don’t know if we needed him to revert to his exact look from 20 years before, but a lot of that stuff up there looks like the sort of convoluted-over-multiple-writers stuff i’m talking about. Some of the ideas were cool, but after a while it becomes the situation where, if you skip a series for a while, you ask someone where it’s at and they have to spend five minutes telling you a string of nonsense.

“Oh, hey, Cyborg is in this. What’s going on with him?”
“Well, he was trapped by his former teammate on a personal rocket ship that exploded before being rebuilt in a more robotic body by scientists which erased his memory, then got his memory back by serving as a mouthpiece for a cybernetic alien race, but then he had to merge his soul with their robot planet to avoid dying, then came back under a different name as an emotionless cybernetic warrior, but got his emotions back when the planet was destroyed, but then the part of him that’s still a part of the planet took over his body and tried to enslave the world, so…”
“Stop. I’m just gonna read ‘Duck Tales’.”

Andrew Collins

May 17, 2013 at 7:19 pm


Very well done analysis of Johns’s writing. You nicely summed up how I feel about him and why.

Is there a less interesting DC character than Cyborg? (Maybe Vibe.) Putting him in the Justice League just lowered the value of the League. In the DC universe, being a cyborg is like being a Yankees fan. There are millions of them. How boring.

Like JokersNuts, I thought Johns’s bringing Hal Jordan back was a good thing and well done, and the following Green Lantern book was excellent up to ‘Secret Origin.’

I really think having a complicated backstory isn’t that bad. He’s a Cyborg, got upgraded with alien technology, still turns to his old look for fighting–that’s all anyone really needs to know on a regular basis.

@penguintruth What’s sad is that they’re really saying that Cyborg is the most interesting black character they have and they need him in the League to add color to it. I mean, there are no black superheroes better than Cyborg in the DC Universe?

GJ forgot to tell the artist Cyborg needed more armor or robotics on his return, oh man he looks almost naked in that panel.

bad johnny got out

December 13, 2015 at 2:54 am



@Omar Karindu

I find that Fraction’s Hawkeye is more a bumbling rookie hero than the man who once led a branch of the Avengers.

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