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50 Greatest Avengers Stories: #6-4

In honor of the fiftieth anniversary of the Avengers, we’re doing a poll of the greatest Avengers stories of all-time! You all voted, now here are the results of what you chose as the 50 Greatest Avengers Stories!

Each day will have five more stories on the countdown (eventually I think it’ll get to three stories a day). Here is a master list of every story featured so far. Here are #6-4!

Enjoy!

6. “Behold, the Vision!”/”Even an Android Can Cry” Avengers Volume 1 #57-58

These two issues are a master class on comic book storytelling, as first we meet the mysterious Vision, then see him fight the Avengers, then see him betray his master, Ultron, and save the Avengers. This then leads to the classic story “Even an Android Can Cry” where the Avengers consider the artificial being for membership in the team. His reaction to the news confirms the title of the story. Roy Thomas did the story and John Buscema and George Klein did the art (plus a little work from Marie Severin). This is the story that has the classic “Ozymandias” ending with Ultron’s head that blew the minds of many a young comic book reader at the time.

5. “Avengers Forever” Avengers Forever #1-12

Kurt Busiek, Roger Stern, Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino delivered this time-travel classic that relied on a unique team of Avengers plucked from the past, present and future, who have to take on Immortus and the Time Keepers, a powerful group that has been manipulating the Avengers for years. Each member of the team is chosen at a very specific moment, from Captain America being at the peak of his strength but at the nadir of his confidence to Hank Pym at both his then-present status and also from when he first became Yellowjacket, this was a unlikely collection of Avengers and their journey would take them across space and time to fight for the destiny of Earth itself.

4. “Ultron Unlimited” Avengers Volume 3 #19-22

The concept of the storyline (written by Kurt Busiek and drawn by George Perez and Al Vey) is that Ultron IX has decided that he does not want to simply wipe out humans from Earth – he wants to repopulate the world with his own people: robots. He begins this attempt in horrific fashion as he enters the small European country of Slorenia and proceeds to slaughter the entire human population in three hours. He sends a message to the horrified public watching at home – do not come into this county or suffer the same fate.

Meanwhile, he has also kidnapped the Avengers that he considers “family” and intends to use their brainwaves to base his new world population of robots on, much like the way he earlier based his intended robot bride Jocasta on Wasp’s brainwaves, the android Vision on the brainwaves of Wonder Man and the robot Alkhema on the brainwaves of Mockingbird.

It is during this story that we learn for the first time something that probably should have been evident to readers earlier (it’s somewhat surprising it took decades until Busiek came up the concept), which is that Ultron’s mind was based on the brainwaves of his creator, Hank Pym, who happens to be among the Avengers kidnapped by Ultron.

The Avengers ultimately decide to invade Slorenia, resulting in many interesting battles within the country as the small band of heroes seem to be overmatched by Ultron’s apparently unending supply of robot drones (hence the “Unlimited” part of the story’s title). During the course of this war, the Avengers have to face off against all the earlier Ultrons, each of whom was enough to fight them to a standstill in previous years.

Ultron is quite confident that his minions are more than enough to defeat the Avengers. That same confidence leads to one of the coolest dramatic entrances ever (and winner of a Wizard Award that year for Best Moment) when the Avengers burst into Ultron’s lair, looking quite ragged, with Thor speaking for the entire team when he declares “Ultron, we would have words with thee!”

This turns the tide, and ultimately, Hank Pym is able to redeem himself and save the day.

45 Comments

When I read Ultron Unilimited, I thought it wasn’t even a revelation. It made so much sense, and followed the whole “brain engrams” thing so logically, I figured Busiek was just referencing something readers already knew.

And also, great story. That entrance is still one of the best ever.

Great detail of that moment: everyone is totally ragged…save for Black Panther, who is unscathed. Real shame T’Challa and Batman have never thrown down in an intercompany title.

So the top three must be Under Siege, The Korvac Saga, and the Kree-Skrull War, but in what order?

Nothing to say other that I’m surprised that none of the big Busiek stories made the top three. This has been a great list for folks looking to read great Avengers stories.

It has, at that, fellow traveler.

I’ve heard Avengers Forever had logistical difficulties, but the premise sounds fascinating, and what a cool overview of Avengers history? I only got a few of these. Too bad!

I love the Ozymandias ending; it’s funny how often literary quotes were parlayed into openings and closings in those days. It was never done better than the kid with Ultron’s scrap metal head, though!
The Vision’s very much a mystery villain on first glance, with his baffling interaction with Janet. He’s one hero who has been played as a threat or apparent traitor many times, made possible by his aloof nature. He’s very much the classic Avenger spawned by this title, a character ultimately defined by his presence in the title. It’s always been a bulwark of heroes without their own mags.

Ultron Forever: I must get the whole thing one day. So intense.

And now, Brian’s finale:
The Crossing, The Letterman issue, and Avengers #300. But in what order?

I’m just sorry that classic run drawn by Rob Granito didn’t crack the top spots.

I’m just going to guess: Korvac, Kree-Skrull, Siege. It’s funny how the scale of the first two is so cosmic and ultimate, yet the blood and guts of the Avengers at bay in their own home —wrecked many times, famously by Ultron in #160—is probably the most visceral for CBR fans.

Hey, looks like I was on the money with what the top 10 were.

Never been much of a fan of Ultron, but the two Ultron stories here are pretty good, particularly Unlimited. Also the best Hank Pym story I’ve read as well.

Always a fan of Kang, and Avengers Forever is Kang near his best.

And I think Under Siege will be #1. First, it deserves to be. But it got so much love in the overall best story lines list that I reckon it’ll win out here.

I agree Under Siege will take it, manly ’cause I see it appealing to a broader range of older fans and younger ones maybe not as impressed by some of the 70s old-school writing style…still, Korvac is nearest and dearest to my heart.

Cool to see the Vision’s story here, he and Ultron being the ultimate Avengers creations. There’s some irony in that Ozymandias quote, from a poem about how even the mightiest figures are doomed to fade away, is closing out one of the first appearances of Ultron, who actually endures as a powerful presence in Avengers decades later (as seen with pick #4).

“Behold, the Vision!”/”Even an Android Can Cry” was #1 on my list. It is an amazing issue not only for the Avengers but for any comic. The art by Buscema/Klein is just stunning and Thomas really out-did himself on the story. It introduces us to one of the great characters of Avengers lore and puts him through the ringer, physically and more importantly, emotionally. This early work by Thomas puts all this classic Avengers lore into motion with this one issue, setting up the dynamic of Ultron being the Vision’s “daddy” and hank Pym’s “Son” (not to mention the whole Wonder Man connection) that will keep popping up even in today’s books. For me this is the peak of a string of fantastic issues they were doing at that time.

With all the Busiek love on the top 10 greatest Avengers stories it’s fun to remember that not everything Busiek did was golden. For sure he deserves all the love as these stories are epic and jam packed with Avengers lore and love though some of the creative choices he made in his run was kind of cringe worthy. Maybe it’s just me but the whole Triathlon thing was kind of hard to read, especially in the beginning though I have to admit that I liked how it ended with him as the 3D man. And though I love Busiek to death for trying to fix the whole thing with the Vision and Yellow Jacket, those stories aren’t the best of the bunch. And then you have Silver Claw and Vance Astro and Firestar floundering on the sidelines. Busiek tried to honor the original spirit of the Avengers which he did admirably and add his own thing, which he did not-so admirably but you got to love him for sticking with it and coming up with some stuff that will go down in Avengers history as some of the greatest stories ever told.

I agree, Busiek’s run has some issues. When it is working its really awesome, as seen by the fact so much of it is in the list. I will say I hated the “Warbird alcoholism” subplot. Just awful :(

But the Kang Dynasty really is my favorite story of all. Avengers Forever is awesome though if you aren’t up on your Avengers history it can be a tough read.

I read all of these stories for the first time within a year of each other. Good old Avengers United. In my mind the Pym/Ultron/Vision/Wonder Man/Scarlet Witch stuff is the heart of the Avengers, more so than Cap and even Hawkeye, who I have a very soft spot for.

Captain Haddock

June 29, 2013 at 8:13 am

I thought Busiek did a pretty good job with Vance Astro and Firestar actually, watching Justice be this guy who gets his dream job and struggle with that and Firestar go from reluctant hero to full fledged Avenger was neat.

Ultron Unlimited to me is why Age of Ultron just didn’t work. UU was built up as a subplot in the books including a free one, and then the plot delivered in a few, extremely tense issues, all brilliantly illustrated by George Perez. “Ultron, we would have words with thee.” My God, I want that on a t-shirt. I would love to see them make a movie of it, just so much clicked with that storyline and every Avenger had his or her moment in the sun. I read this during my formative comic reader years and it still remains MY Avengers story, if you know what I mean.

Finally, check out Avengers Forever, but be aware, there is a LOT of continuity porn in there. It was fun to me to piece together the details, but wow could it get exhausting. Some great Carlos Pacheco art there too.

The Ultron/Vision story stands out as the strongest from the Thomas/Buscema run. Definitely worthy of inclusion here.

Haven’t read Busiek’s run yet, but looking forward to it.

Ultron Unlimited was my #1, and it’s an awesome story in almost every way.
The only thing that bugged me about it was how half the team gets kidnapped, and the other half does not even get backup to go fight Ultron except for some SHIELD agents, which was weird to me considering every Avenger ever showed up to fight Morgan Le Fey in Busiek’s first arc.
With Ultron killing millions of people, I would have expected every superhero in the world to show up at the Mansion to help out.
Hell, at the time Magneto was ruling Genosha, wouldn’t he see Ultron as a threat to mutants and want to take him out, especially since his own children were hostage? He could just go over there and pop Ultron like a garbage can.

This list is great, I still have to read a few of these, like Forever. Add all that to my to-read list!

Behold the Vision was my #1. Which I think means we have seen all from my list we are going to see. But the top three are all things I could easily have voted for. But coins were flipped. (In honesty, I’m blanking on whether I voted for Under Siege. But I think it lost the coin toss to Stern’s Nebula saga)

The intro of the Vision is one of the all-time great Avengers stories, and the Vision became synonymous with the book for most of the 70s (check out how frequently he was the sole character in the corner box).

Avengers Forever I own in trade paperback, but it always stop making sense to me about 4 or 5 issues in. I just can’t follow it. Great art by Carlos Pacheco, though.

Ultron Unlimited is obviously the peak of the Busiek-Perez run, and it certainly deserves its high place in the countdown. The revelation that Hank Pym used his own brain patterns for Ultron made perfect sense with everything that came before — even original Ultron writer Roy Thomas thought so. I wish all retcons and continuity implants made that much sense.

John Trumbull said, “Avengers Forever I own in trade paperback, but it always stop making sense to me about 4 or 5 issues in. I just can’t follow it. ”

I agree with you that the story gets very convoluted around that point and is a weak point of the series but I have found that if you persevere it pays off in a big way. That’s why it’s at the top of the list. Those first few issues are so choke full of random stuff that it gets really hard to keep track and tiring to read. For me the low point was at the end of issue 5 where (Spoilers) Immortus erases the 50’s Avengers time line was the point where I almost gave up on the series but Busiek redeems himself in a big way creating an amazing ending to this crazy mess of Avengers history (and invented history). It’s really an epic and unique chapter in Avengers history, though if I wasn’t an Avengers fan I wonder if I would like it as much.

Just prior to Ultron Unlimited, one online fan (Ian Watson) had an amazing idea about where Ultron’s brain engrams came from – he posited when Wasp was nearly killed by Count Nefaria way back in #13, she was pregnant and this was why Pym was in such a state of hysteria in #14; although Wasp’s life was saved in #14, she’d miscarried and this was the real reason why Pym & Wasp quit in #16. Then, years later, Pym used the engrams of the dead infant to create Ultron.

The continuity involved in that solution was genius and the implications were horrific; I was so into it as THE solution that Busiek’s answer – Pym’s own engrams – fell quite a bit short of impressing me at the time.

Strangely, the revelation of where Ultron’s engrams came from isn’t even important to Ultron Unlimited – it comes from nowhere and has nothing to do with anything. It didn’t change our understanding of Ultron, it didn’t change the Pym-Ultron relationship, it hasn’t impacted any Ultron stories since; it was just a case of dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.

That one panel about Ultron’s engrams aside – Ultron Unlimited is quite good.

Three more great choices, two of which made my list. UU was #2 on my list. Such a great story in so many ways, and yet all done in just 4 issues (or 4 1/2. Wasn’t there a short freebie comic that was a prelude to this?) The panel Brian posted in the header above might be my favorite comic panel ever. It gave me chills the first time I read it.

I’m a huge fan of the Vision, and like issues #57-58 a lot, but it didn’t make my list. It’s a great, important story in Avengers history, just not my personal favorite.

Avengers Forever I had at #7 on my list. I loved the story, and as a long-time Avengers fan I loved the continuity porn aspect of it. That said, I’m surprised it’s this high on the list. Because of the heavy continuity I figured only hardcore Avengers fans would enjoy it. Granted, a list of the Top 10 Avengers stories was probably made up by a lot of hardcore Avengers fans, but then again the Ultimates placed in the Top 20. I can pretty much guarantee no one that thinks any of the Ultimates stories are the best Avengers stories ever also voted for Avengers Forever. I’d think most AF fans probably aren’t happy that Ultimates made it onto this list at all. But maybe I’m just projecting my opinions onto everyone else at this point.

Lue Lyron: Are you insinuating that the Letterman issue is a bad issue? That’s crazy talk! I love that comic. It was the first Avengers comic I ever read. Someone in 4th or 5th grade brought the comic to school and I read it during class. Great stuff.

Ok, clearly nostalgia is effecting my judgement a bit, but to lump it in with The Crossing and #300? Blasphemy!

Behold the Vision (ALL TIME CLASSIC) puts me up to 5 out of 10 (and almost certain to be increased to 8 out of 10)
am I the only one who voted for the 3 issue Thomas/Smith Ultron story from 66-68?
Betrayal/We stand at Armageddon../…and we battle for the Earth

I’ll cheerfully admit to voting for that Letterman issue. I gave more votes to all of the stories on this page, and two of the likely finalists, but it still has a soft spot in my heart. It’s possible the fact that I had no other experience of Letterman before the year before last has something to do with it.

Is it too soon to talk about what hasn’t and won’t show up? I am disappointed that “Death Be Not Proud” hasn’t put in an appearance. My introduction to Roy Thomas and John Buscema was a good one.

Really glad to see Nefaria making the top ten. One of my all time favorites. The list has been great so far, but knowing what the top three will probably be (barring some bizarre concurrence that Reed, Sue, and Gilgamesh stories belong at the top), I am more curious what the runners-up 51 – 60 were. Surely the Avengers had at least ten more great stories. Keep the list going.

bout time enter the vision popped up for the vision even in his first apperance as ultrons minion proved that even as a machine he has a heart. and a moral core programed into him. avengers forever kind of liked parts of it including where it tries to state that the vision is not the oriignal android human torch once and for all. as hinted at. and ultron unlimited proves how evil ultron truely can be . plus loved the ultron we would have words with thee hinting that thor is not happy with events.

I can pretty much guarantee no one that thinks any of the Ultimates stories are the best Avengers stories ever also voted for Avengers Forever.

Such a guarantee would be wrong. Literally the first list that I checked had both AF and both Ultimates series on it. And a quick scan at the next twenty or so lists showed four or five more examples. It was actually pretty common to have both on your list.

Alright. I guess I was just projecting my opinion on others, then. I’m surprised that there’s that much crossover between the two.

Just because someone likes a chunk of continuity porn like Avengers Forever doesn’t mean they don’t also enjoy a clean stand alone take on the franchise. If I could have picked more stories Ultimates would have made my list.

With all the Busiek love on the top 10 greatest Avengers stories it’s fun to remember that not everything Busiek did was golden.

I personally found all of Busiek’s Avengers almost unreadable. Being that that was my first exposure to Busiek, I for years thought he was just a terrible writer. I later tried a lot of his other stuff and found it incredible good. I think he was too much of an Avengers fan to do his best writing on the book. It was just layers upon layers of continuity porn, with some awful pet characters in the mix like Triathlon and Silverclaw. Subplots just for the sake of subplots that never were explored deeply enough, like Vision courting Carol Danvers, Carol Danvers becoming an alcoholic (seriously, what was the point?), the new Avengers “proactive” mission statement that was immediately ignored, the rolling back of all the character progression accomplished on Vance Astrovik to turn him into the incompetent superhero version of Wesley Crusher. Ugh. I think his run really benefitted from following the Crossing and Heroes Reborn.

Pete Woodhouse

June 29, 2013 at 5:50 pm

On first glance this list seems to be dominated by six writers: Thomas, Englehart, Shooter, Stern, Busiek and Bendis. They seem to be the architects of the modern Avengers – and please note I haven’t read any Avengers stories by the latter two.
Buscema (especially with his fantastic partner-in-crime Palmer) and Perez seem to be a common denominator where artists are concerned.

It’s also easy to forget how big a character the Vision was in the 1970s. He was the Avengers star of that period but he never developed as a breakout character into the wider Marvel universe. Perhaps the creators correctly noted that he’d thrive in an Avengers group situation but wasn’t enough to sustain his own long-term solo title. The Vision was in the “corner box” of Marvel’s trade dress for their Avengers title (bugger, I’ve just seen John Trumbull has mentioned this): not Hawkeye, not Wonder Man, not Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver.

Another observation: as comics titles go, the Avengers doesn’t have many classic villains in its rogues gallery. It basically boils down to Kang and Ultron. In themselves, they’re not as impressive as Dr Doom, Galactus, Red Skull or Green Goblin, in my opinion. But as specific Avengers foes (and let’s face it, not of anyone else) they’re the daddies.

@ Thomas Morrison: Yes, Avengers was arguably the best Marvel title at this time thanks to the Thomas/ Buscema run. Thomas/ Adams was shortly to follow…

@Pete: god help you if you start the gray debate as to who was the best Avengers author. Every one of them has some truly outstanding moments in their run, but for pure enjoyment I like Bendis best.

As for the villains, the Avengers do have a large stable, it’s just only Ultron and Kang seem to get the prestige. Count Nefaria, the Zodiac, the Masters of Evil, the Squadron Supreme (always under mind control) are all serious threats when they pop up. I think Kang and Ultron get the most use because both represent the fact the Avengers will inevitably fail. Ultron has such a personal connection to so much of the team and always, ALWAYS, comes back stronger. Kang has already conquered the future and could smash the team at any given time if he really decided to cut loose.

” Ultron Unlimited to me is why Age of Ultron just didn’t work. UU was built up as a subplot in the books including a free one, and then the plot delivered in a few, extremely tense issues, all brilliantly illustrated by George Perez. “Ultron, we would have words with thee.” My God, I want that on a t-shirt. I would love to see them make a movie of it, just so much clicked with that storyline and every Avenger had his or her moment in the sun. I read this during my formative comic reader years and it still remains MY Avengers story, if you know what I mean. ”

Technically, Age of Ultron was built up thoroughly in the first arc of Bendis’ Heroic Age Avengers, and in the .1 issue with Bryan Hitch’s art. It’s just that it fell off the schedule and released well after those issues had been lost in the shuffle of AvX and Marvel NOW!. It might’ve gotten a better reception if it hadn’t had a troubled production.

Ultron Unlimited is pretty swell, I’ll give you that. But in the scope of Busiek’s run, I have to say I’m surprised this beat out the Kang Dynasty in votes. Both great modernizations of a classic Avengers villain, but KD had more wind in its sails.

In my mind both the Ultimates and Bendis’ run were the Avengers for people that didn’t like the Avengers. Based on this list and comments people have made, I was pretty clearly wrong. Live and learn.

@Jazzbo Oh, just thought the Letterman issue nearly topping the list would be a hoot! He’s got yer Top 10 covered already. Let the sanctity of Fabian Stankowitz remain hallowed….

It was no worse than Spider-Man and the cast of Saturday Night LIve :-D fo sho! (And I really like both the wall-crawler and the original SNL)

Nothing replaces what your first comic book means to you. Even if it was Doc Ock marrying Aunt May in Marvel Tales (as was MY case!)!

That entrance of the Avengers is indeed a fantastic moment. But what REALLY gave me chills about that page? Ultron’s unnerved response in the next panel:

“You want to die now too, Thor? All of you?

Then come on. Come on.”

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/06/29/50-greatest-avengers-stories-6-4/

I think it’s fair to say that Lee/Kirby were the architects of the Avengers. They set up the team that resonated throughout there history even till today. It was a big moment when Bendis brought the “founding fathers” of Thor, Iron Man and Captain America together again. Not only did they set up the team but they created kang, Immortus, Wonder Man and the Masters of Evil all in the first 10 issues together. I don’t think their contribution to the Avengers mythos should be underestimated.
In addition to Kang and Ultron as being Avengers nemesis there is also the Grim Reaper. Unfortunately he hasn’t been used well since Shooter wrote him, though I don’t think we should count him out.

None of you have mentioned the follow-up to Ultron Unlimited: The Ultron Imperative. It’s great stuff, and I hope you’ve all read it!

@Pete Woodhouse: “On first glance this list seems to be dominated by six writers: Thomas, Englehart, Shooter, Stern, Busiek and Bendis.”

Yeah, that’s a terrible, TERRIBLE first glance you got there (or a MASSIVE Bendis bias). Here are the ACTUAL numbers:

Busiek 6 (including 2 in the Top 5, 3 in the Top 10, and #11)

Stern, Shooter, Thomas and Englehart: 5 each (with Stan Lee being the only writer other than them and Busiek to have a story in the Top 10. Barely. If I had voted, JLA/Avengers would have suplanted Avengers #1 in the Top 10, unless there was more than an 8-point gap between #10 and #11).

Millar: 4 (That’s right, freaking Mark Millar has more entries than Bendis).

Lee and Bendis 3 (the fact that Bendis has as many entries as Lee makes me sick. And then I remembered the respective length of their runs and it’s not even close to a contest).

Gruenwald, Michelline, Heinberg and Harras: 2 each

Starlin, Grant, Nicieza, Claremont, Ellis, Byrne and PAD: 1 each.

So, this list is dominated by Busiek and, just below him, Stern, Shooter, Thomas and Englehart. And I have no problem with that. In fact, if you flip Shooter and Thomas (I used their highest-appearing entry for the order I listed them in), that is EXACTLY my list of Top 5 best Avengers writers, with Lee getting the honorable mention.

I would also like to point out that Mark Millar manages to have 4 entries, and a grand total of cero of thema re actually Avengers stories.

Ultimates is to Avengers what Taco Bell is to mexican food, and who counts Civil War (or Secret Invasion, for that matter) as Avengers stories?

6. My favorite Avenger ever. It’s too bad Byrne destroyed him, but from Avengers #57 up through when he quit the team in #211, one of Marvel’s coolest characters. And a great intro with amaaaaaazing art by John Buscema.
5. As a huge Kang fan I loved this series. Very continuity heavy, but that means it rewards repeat readings. The more you know about the Avengers, the more there is to discover in this series.
4. Really good stuff. I don’t think it made my top ten, but top 25 anyway.

Hmmmm… I didn’t count either Stern or Michelline for the Korvak Saga, so the final tally should be:

Busiek and Stern: 6
Shooter Thomas and Englehart: 5
Millar: 4
Lee, Michelline and Bendis: 3
Gruenwald, Heinberg and Harras: 2
Starlin, Grant, Nicieza, Claremont, Ellis, Byrne and PAD: 1

Pete Woodhouse

July 1, 2013 at 11:17 am

@ Alvaro. Oh, don’t worry about any pro-Bendis bias on my part. As I said in my comment, I’ve never read an Avengers story by him. And judging from what I know of his decompressed style – not my cup of tea – I probably never will.

And lest my comments seemed (by omission) to neglect Lee-Kirby, their contributions started the whole shebang and should never be forgotten

Ultron Unlimited was my #1.

This story will never get old, and the fact that the Avengers movie was just a souped-up CGI rehash of their vol.1 #1 origin story instead of something as moving, chilling, and epic as U.U. left me immensely disappointed with the film (I tend to dislike most comic based movies when compared to the source material, however).

In an era where writers and artists rarely pump out more than four consecutive issues together, Busiek and George Perez’s run unfortunately puts most of today’s creators to shame. Kurt Busiek’s writing left more on an impression on me than any other comic book scribe has and I’d have to say vol. 3 #19-22 is going to be the work I will always point to as one of those stories that influenced my decision to become a writer. If I could craft something half as powerful as Busiek’s work on vol. 3, I could die tomorrow as a happy man.

Amazing to read sooo many Nay Sayers…. Thank you Brian Michael Bendis for writing nearly a decade of The Avengers (more if you count issue totals), helping keep Marvel relevant, and helping expand the focus of the super hero serial drama out to the general public with your work with the Marvel film and animation division. He tells a solid flowing story, makes interesting (might say exciting) changes, and made the Earth’s Mightiest Heroes prominent over the X-Men. I can’t understand the hate against him.

Bendis stories in the list are at 44, 36, 26 and 25
4 stories
So Pete Woodhouse in his first glance is (in effect) only 1 out which isn;t bad for a quick glance

Alvaro is also 1 out -which is worse because he made a big deal about his accuracy

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