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Vote for the 50 Greatest X-Family Stories!

Last month, in honor of the X-Men’s 50th anniversary, we did a poll for the greatest X-Men stories of all-time. Enough of you, though, requested that we do a second poll for X-Men spinoffs like New Mutants, Wolverine, X-Factor, X-Force, etc. that I figured we might as well.

X-Men has been such a significant title that over the years its SPIN-OFFS have given us many great stories over the years, from one-shot issues to multi-issue stories to, well, sagas. So here you will be casting your vote for who you feel are the greatest X-Family stories!

You folks all vote in the comments section here up until 11:59 Pacific time, August 18th. I’ll tabulate all the votes and I’ll begin a countdown of the top 50 beginning August 21st.

Okay, here are the guidelines!

1. Vote in the comments section below, making sure to include that classic word “ACBC” somewhere in your comment so your vote will be marked invisible.

2. Vote for your TEN favorite X-Family stories.

3. Rank your ten stories from #1 (what you think is the greatest story) to #10 (what you think is the 10th greatest). I’d prefer it if you actually numbered your entry, #1-10. It’s easier for me to count. On that note, please also avoid listing them like this “1) 2) 3) 4),” because 8 with a ) after it transforms into a smiley face in the comments section (this one 8) ). Just plain ol’ “1. 2. 3.” works best. Really, just use this template:

ACBC
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

4. Your top choice will be given 10 points, your second choice 9, etc.

5. What is the definition of a particular story? First off, runs are not stories. To wit, you can’t pick, say, Peter David’s first run on X-Factor and call it a story. It is not. That is a run made up of a bunch of different stories. Just like you can’t vote for Larry Hama and Marc Silvestri’s Wolverine run or Peter Milligan’s X-Statix run or Rick Remender’s Uncanny X-Force run. You have to vote for the individual stories that made up the run. When it comes to modern single stories, which are often collected in larger trades, try to vote for the single story first (like Re-X-Aminations in X-Factor #13) as best as you can.

6. Here is the trickiest part of the countdown. How do we count crossovers that involve the X-Men? Here’s how we will do it – you can’t vote for crossovers just by themselves if they include the X-Men. So no Age of Apocalypse or Mutant Massacre or Inferno, etc. However, you CAN vote for the individualized aspects of each of those crossovers, provided that they are not X-Men issues. Do you want to vote for the X-Factor issues of Fall of the Mutants? Go for it. Do you want to vote for the New Mutants issues of Mutant Massacre? Go for it. Do you want to vote for the X-Force issue of Fatal Attractions? Go for it. Do you want to vote for the X-Factor/Excalibur/X-Force Phalanx Covenant crossover? Go for it. Do you want to vote for Generation Next from Age of Apocaylpse? Go for it. The exceptions to this rule are crossovers that were too intertwined to be broken down. These crossovers include: X-Tinction Agenda, X-Cutioner’s Song, Messiah Complex and Second Coming.

7. Mini-series count as one story. Like Kitty Pryde and Wolverine or Havok and Wolverine: Meltdown.

8. Alpha Flight does not count.

9. Since none of Mike Carey’s X-Men Legacy stories made it on to the X-Men countdown, I will allow you to vote for X-Men Legacy stories on this countdown (both the Carey/Gage issues and obviously the current Si Spurrier series).

10. Special exception to the “no including X-Men issues” rule from the crossover rule above. You can vote for New Mutants Special Edition #1 and X-Men Annual #9 as one story. This only exists since I figure people will vote for New Mutants Special Edition #1 ANYways, so I might as well let them include the full story. Similarly, if you must include X-Men #160 in a vote for the Magik mini-series, so be it. The Wolverine mini-series stands on its own, though. I don’t care if Uncanny X-Men #172-173 are a direct sequel of the Wolverine mini-series. They’re separate stories.

11. Make sure to include ACBC in your ballot.

12. If you have questions and/or requests for clarification, feel free to ask them in the comments section below. If you’re unsure of something, probably better to ask BEFORE you vote. You have two weeks to vote, ya know?

13. I’ll list notable rulings in this section here as we go along:

A. Since just three people have voted for Deadpool stories, I’ll omit him from counting. For those three people who voted for Deadpool stories, just vote again (or not, it’s not a big deal, I can just eliminate your Deadpool vote).
B. Captain Britain’s solo run does not count, nor does Captain Britain and MI-13. If you already voted for Captain Britain stories, feel free to re-vote (or if you don’t feel like it, that’s fair enough. I can just eliminate the Captain Britain vote and bump everything else up on your list).
C. Excalibur does count.
D. Exiles counts
E. Sub-Mariner does not count.
F. Champions and New Defenders do not count.
G. I’ll count Dazzler.
H. Power Pack does not count.
I. A+X counts.
J. Crossovers between X-Family books and other Marvel books count, like X-Factor’s Hulk crossover or the New Mutants’ recent Journey into Mystery crossover.
K. X-23 counts
L. Daken counts
M. Runaways does not count.
N. Cloak and Dagger does not count.
O. Ka-Zar does not count.
P. No on War of Kings.
Q. X-Factor #87 (X-Aminations) is one story. If you want to vote for the follow-up issue in Peter David’s second X-Factor run, you have to vote for it separately.
R. I’ll count New X-Men #20-31 as one story “Childhood’s End.”
S. Enemy of the State is one story.
T. Longshot can count.
U. Solo stories in Marvel Comics Presents counts.

Remember, please include the following word: ACBC – on your ballot. It will make it so your ballot appears invisible to other readers, so only I can read it (and count your vote secretly).

Most importantly, have fun!

Now vote! :)

179 Comments

Not necessarily because Wolverine was part of the team, but Alpha Flight is a mutant team that spun off the X-Men series. It should be countable (not that I have AF stories in mind that will make it into my list).

Stephen Conway

August 6, 2013 at 5:51 am

Thankfully my X-Family reading is quite limited so there won’t be too many anxious decisions.

My one point of query is does the Runaways count, considering that Molly Hayes is a mutant?

IMPORTANT POINT OF CLARIFICATION: It would probably make this entire poll easier on everyone if you could lay out the EXACT rules for solo stories before everyone starts sending their votes in.

Do ALL solo stories starring X-affiliated characters count, or do they have to have been a member of a “X” team at some point? If the latter then what about stories with X-villains as protagonist(s)?

Would a story featuring/focusing on a traditionally X-book affiliated character count if that story took place when the character was part of a non-X-team? I can’t actually think of any examples of this, but let’s say hypothetically that there was an issue of Avengers spotlighting Beast or a Champions story that centered on Iceman (though the latter especially seems doubtful)… Would those (or anything else to the same effect) count?

Do stories about single X-related characters count if they take place in another character’s book (one that isn’t the X-Men)? I’m specifically thinking of Wolverine’s debut in Hulk here.

What about stories featuring X-affiliated characters before they were actually X-affiliated? For example, the early Dazzler issues (she was originally unaffiliated with the X-Men, right?) or again the Wolverine debut in Hulk.

For purposes of this list, are Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver “X-family” characters or “Avengers family” when appearing in titles NOT labeled as X-books OR Avengers books? I can think of no specific examples, but it probably couldn’t hurt to be clear on this just incase it does come up at some point.

Stephen Conway

August 6, 2013 at 6:01 am

Also I’m assuming the answer is yes but do the various Exiles titles count?

How about Uncanny Avengers or A+X? Their whole shtick is combing X Men and Avengers related characters.

Does District X count?

I feel a vote list full of David Hine (with a dash of Peter David) coming on!

Ooh – What about X-23?

And if that does count, what about Nyx?

Captain Britain?

does Soldier X count as one big story?

What’s the Captain Britain story by Alan Moore called? It’s all one story and is collected in a single trade, so I’m pretty sure it counts, but I can’t find a title anywhere, and I don’t want that choice disqualified on the “creator run” rule.

Do any of the Sub-Mariner series count? A+X? Exiles?

I’m not sure why the X-force spinoff that stars someone who’s not a mutant and has never been an x-man counts, but the X-men spinoff that’s full of mutants and has several X-men on the team doesn’t.

Stephen Conway

August 6, 2013 at 7:05 am

I would assume pre-Excalibur Captain Britain is out. He’s not a mutant and none of the supporting characters are either (I’m fairly surely Betsy being a mutant was a retcon when Claremont started reusing her for New Mutants and X Men).

And so, the pandora box is opened ^^

Would days of future present count?

My favorite part of these things is the rules-lawyering.

Does Ka-Zar count?

So we’re only counting stories centering around mutants? I’d like to think that if they did a series where Stevie Hunter fought mobsters on her days off from the dance studio, that would count. Isn’t the X-Men central metaphor all about inclusion :p

Ooo, if he presence of one or two mutants is suddenly enough to make something an X-family comic, my list is going to be all Secret Society of Super-Villains stories because of Captain Comet.

Do X-aminations 1 and 2 count as one story?

IMO, Alpha Flight should NOT count. Despite their ties to the X-Men and Wolverine in particular, Alpha Flight is not a mutant group (Shaman, Talisman, Snowbird, Sasquatch and even Puck are magical, Vindicator is a person in a suit, Marrina is an alien), their existance has nothing to do with Prof X and his legacy and they are not considered a part of the “X-Family” when big mutant storylines come up.

Is Wolverine and the X-Men classified as a spin-off or X-Men proper?

Dekko—Deadpool is also not a mutant, so that argument really doesn’t wash. At least alpha flight has/had some mutants.

Alpha Flight shouldn’t count because its NOT a mutant team, it was a team of super-beings like the Avengers that just so happened to debut in an X-Men story. They have no ties to Xavier and the goals of the X-Men.

Obviously both incarnations of X-Factor count, the X-Terminator/super-hero one and the government agents-later detectives. And obviously the junior teams, the New Mutants, Generation X, New X-Men, Young X-Men. And X-Force in all its incarnations.

Brian, what’s your ruling on Excalibur. For the first 50 issues they were NOT an X-Men team, they were a team formed by Captain Britain to protect reality that just so happened to have three former X-Men. They only began acting as a mutant team AFTER they moved to Muir Island. I would say the Claremont/Davis issues should be ineligible, but the later issues by Lobdell, Ellis, etc. would count.

Did someone seriously suggest The Champions? Please say you were teasing. They are in no way an X-Men book …. just because a team has former X-Men on it doesn’t automatically make it part of the X-Men family.

Hopefully I can come up with ten this time around … this is much harder than X-Men proper.

@Luther Why would Ka-Zar count? Because he appeared in “X-Men” 10? The Ka-Zar concept existed almost 30 years before the X-Men were created.

I can see why Alpha Flight doesn’t count (though I’d be happy if they did).

But the first Excalibur should definitely count. The initial team was made up of a majority of former X-men, it was written by Claremont, they faced similar villains as the X-men (Mesmero, Juggenaut, Mojo, evil Prof X, etc.), events from the Mutant Massacre tied directly into the formation of the team, they teamed up with the X-Babies…is that enough, or do I need to keep going?

Does Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix count?

I’d argue that it might be easier to do this if we’d done a 50 greatest Wolverine stories first and excluded Wolverine stories cos the likelyhood is that they’ll dominate.

Got about 15 stories on my list so far….

I don’t see all of my top ten getting in this time. This list is really going to be unpredictable. I love it.

A note that I think needs some clarification about my ballot and may present an argument for others: I voted (won’t say which spot!) for XFI’s “The Longest Night” and “Life and Death Matters” as a single story. My argument is it fully encompasses the story of Tryp Industries and Jamie’s renegade dupe. I also have “Time and Half” and “Overtime” as a single story, but that’s obvious.

At any rate, my author count:

David (4 XFI, 1 XF), Remender (2), Simonson (1), Milligan (1. His run is greater than the sum of its parts), Kyle/Yost and co. (1)

I guess that the basic rule is that if the book features mutants it’s considered an x-book. I’m perfectly
okay with that!

I’m okay with Alpha Flight NOT included. BUT(T): second half of Alpha Flight vol 1 was 100% mutant / X-Men related.
Vol 2 was actually 100% X-Men spin-off (team consisted mainly of mutants).
Vol 3 was 50% related to X-Men.
Vol 4 (fear itself era) is polemic :)
A lot of Alpha Flight characters moved later to X-books (like Box, Northstar, Aurora, Wildchild, recently Puck). And they fought Lady Deathstrike, Sentinels, Mesmero, among others…

And keep in mind that to X-Family could be also added:
Power Pack (due to the Simonson writing them)
partially New Warriors (vol 1 & 4 mainly)
Sub-Mariner (marvel’s first mutant)
Original Big Hero 6 (mutant team, Sunfire was also a leader)
Cloak & Dagger (mainly mutant misadventures volume rather than the rest).
One volume of Deathlok (M-Tech event) featured former enemy of Cable as protagonist.
Starjammers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nuff said, especially vol 1)
I also wonder about Daydreamers mini-series.
And yes, Champions were originally conceived as Angel-Iceman buddy book. And they fought Brotherhood of Evil mutants few times. And the team introduced Darkstar. Not asking for inclusion, just pointing facts to snobs, who think they know better.

As you see, there is more to X-Men than meets the eye, just sayin’.

Oh, and btw, pre-excalibur stories with Cap Britain were reprinted as X-MEN ARCHIVES or Captain Britain – Before Excalibur, fyi. Not to mention that Cap Britain’s supporting cast appeared mainly in Excalibur, or MI:13, or X-related books. During House of M, Uncanny X-Men were actually the Excalibur team.

Hey, Brian, can I vote for the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine one-shot?

Excalibur should not count for the same reasons of Alpha Flight. It is not a team that aims to help the mutants and only have affiliation with the X-Men because they were members of the X-Men.

About the power pack, I forgot to add that Power Pack had a lot of guests like Morlocks, The Right, New Mutants, Cloak & Dagger, etc. Not to mention that the kids themselves were mistaken by mutants by the citizens of MU.

Yep, Imma X-men nerd and proud!

@Chakal

Just because have a mutants made ??it a Spin-off?

Yes, if the team has mutants it’s a spin-off. Because, otherwise what’s the point of making a mutant team?

Does the Meltdown miniseries count?

So where do we stand for things like the Adventures of Jean and one eye or mini’s that focus on characters like Magik, Magneto Testament or Son of M. Does it actually need to focus on a team? The inclusion of the Wolverine title is throwing me.

Is a easy way of thinking of this that virtually any X-Men spin off book is eligible?

Ok, that was harder for me then the X-MEN Only Poll.

I’m thinking I am going to be lucky if I am 2/10

My votes

1 80′s Claremont
2 00′s David
2 00′s Yost
2 00′s Vaughan
1 00′s Cornell
1 90′s Nicieza1
1 00′s Yoshida

surprised i ended up letting go of more of the classic stuff and childhood favorites for more of the modern fare.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how to break Milligan’s X-Force/X-Statix down into stories? Are the trades acceptable parameters? I just don’t want to have stuff disqualified because it didn’t meet the criteria. Brian, you’re of course welcome to chime in.

Does the Exiles’ World Tour count all as one story? Or is each world a separate story? The X-men precedent would suggest the former.

Also, in X-Factor does Madrox’s entire arc in the future with old Layla count as one story?

I’ll second the suggestion that Wolverine be excluded for a separate all Wolverine list. My hardest cuts were decided which Wolverine stories to kick out because my short list was so Wolverine heavy.

Three of my favorite spinoff stories (X-Factor’s Fall of the Mutants, New Mutants in Asgard, and the Wolverine part of Fatal Attractions) made the X-men list, so I’m not going to vote for them here. But I do want to give them a shout out.

Ok, this will seem out there, but what about “War of Kings”? One of the main antagonists is a Summers brother and the Starjammers feature prominently.

Voted. Took some work tracking down issue numbers from Wolverine and Cable for the one off stories.

“Here’s how we will do it – you can’t vote for crossovers just by themselves if they include the X-Men. So no Age of Apocalypse or Mutant Massacre or Inferno, etc. However, you CAN vote for the individualized aspects of each of those crossovers, provided that they are not X-Men issues.”

What constitutes an “X-men” issue of Age of Apocalypse? Just Astonishing and Amazing? Because Gambit and the X-Ternals and Factor X both star characters whose 616 counterparts were X-men at the time, despite being substitutes for spinoff books during the crossover.

OK, here are my serious guesses as to what counts and what doesn’t of stuff that’s mentioned:

Yes:
A+X
Excalibur
Exiles
NYX
Starjammers
X-23
War of Kings
Majik, Wolverine & Spider Man, Scott Loves Jean or whatever, and basically any solo book headlined by an X-Man or New Mutant

No:
Alpha Flight (this one’s already settled)
Avengers (just because there are sometimes mutants on the team doesn’t make it an X-book)
Captain Britain
Cloak & Dagger (they were weirdly shoehorned into the mutant scene very late in the game and not much was ever done with that)
Ka-Zar
Namor, Sub-Mariner, Invaders, etc.
Power Pack
Runaways

I don’t think so, but I could see a case to be made:
Dazzler (just because she wasn’t an X-Man yet)
Champions
New Defenders

Are the Classic X-Men backup stories eligible?

New Defenders? not a spin-off. Not Exiles, Champions, War of Kings, Excalibur (somehow)

Do stories featuring X-family members count, even if it’s not in their title (Xfactor crossovers with Hulk, the New Mutants/ JiM story)?

I think we can expect a lengthy post from Mr. Cronin explaining the rules again.
:)

And truth be told, it’s better to leave crossovers altogether. And truth be told I’m not sure if Deadpool should count at all.

My one point of query is does the Runaways count, considering that Molly Hayes is a mutant?

No.

Does District X count?

Yes.

Ooh – What about X-23?

Yes.

And if that does count, what about Nyx?

Yes.

Captain Britain?

No.

does Soldier X count as one big story?

I’ll allow it, yes.

Do any of the Sub-Mariner series count? A+X? Exiles?

A+X and Exiles yes, Sub-Mariner no.

Is Wolverine and the X-Men classified as a spin-off or X-Men proper?

X-Men group.

Brian, what’s your ruling on Excalibur. For the first 50 issues they were NOT an X-Men team, they were a team formed by Captain Britain to protect reality that just so happened to have three former X-Men. They only began acting as a mutant team AFTER they moved to Muir Island. I would say the Claremont/Davis issues should be ineligible, but the later issues by Lobdell, Ellis, etc. would count.

While I certainly understand that argument, I think Claremont still considered early Excalibur to be a “mutant” book/X-Men spinoff, just not at all tied in with the X-Universe unlike New Mutants, X-Factor and Wolverine, so I’ll count the whole run.

Does Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix count?

Yes.

Hey, Brian, can I vote for the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine one-shot?

Yes.

Does the Meltdown miniseries count?

Yes. It was actually one of the examples given.

So where do we stand for things like the Adventures of Jean and one eye or mini’s that focus on characters like Magik, Magneto Testament or Son of M. Does it actually need to focus on a team? The inclusion of the Wolverine title is throwing me.

Is a easy way of thinking of this that virtually any X-Men spin off book is eligible?

Yeah, virtually any X-Men spin-off is eligible. Except Alpha Flight.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how to break Milligan’s X-Force/X-Statix down into stories? Are the trades acceptable parameters? I just don’t want to have stuff disqualified because it didn’t meet the criteria. Brian, you’re of course welcome to chime in.

The trades are the easiest way to do it.

Does the Exiles’ World Tour count all as one story? Or is each world a separate story? The X-men precedent would suggest the former.

One story.

Also, in X-Factor does Madrox’s entire arc in the future with old Layla count as one story?

Yes.

What constitutes an “X-men” issue of Age of Apocalypse? Just Astonishing and Amazing? Because Gambit and the X-Ternals and Factor X both star characters whose 616 counterparts were X-men at the time, despite being substitutes for spinoff books during the crossover.

Yes, just X-Men Alpha and Omega, Amazing X-Men and Astonishing X-Men are excluded.

Are the Classic X-Men backup stories eligible?

No.

Do stories featuring X-family members count, even if it’s not in their title (Xfactor crossovers with Hulk, the New Mutants/ JiM story)?

If it is a crossover, yes.

Okay, I honestly believe this is a legitimate question instead of a stupid one…

Can we vote for the non-mutant titles that Claremont was writing in the 70′s and 80′s as long as we only vote for the stories that specifically crossed over with X-Men continuity? To be more specific, I’m thinking things like Avengers Annual #10, Iron Fist #15, Marvel Team-Up #100, etc.?

I ask because Avengers Annual #10 would definitely make my top ten if it’s eligible, and I suspect it would for several other people as well. MTU 100 might as well.

And two questions in terms of story break-ups…

I had planned on voting for Wolverine 1-8 (the Claremont/Buscema issues) as one story, and X-Factor 71-75 (the David/Stroman issues) as one story. Please let me know if that’s not kosher.

Would Alan Davis’ second run on Excalibur count as one story? 42-67, they all plend into one big story.

I had planned on voting for Wolverine 1-8 (the Claremont/Buscema issues) as one story, and X-Factor 71-75 (the David/Stroman issues) as one story. Please let me know if that’s not kosher.

That X-Factor arc is allowed, but Wolverine is split #1-3 (the Black Sword arc). 4-6 (the Roughouse and Bloodwhateverhisname is arc), 7-8 (the Hulk arc).

It just occurred to me that this list has absolutely no shoo-in for #1, or even for the top ten at all, and that’s pretty damn cool. The only story that I would even be willing to say is a safe bet for the top ten is the original Wolverine mini-series. This is gonna be absolutely all over the map. I love it. There isn’t even any remote point in guessing for this one.

Would Alan Davis’ second run on Excalibur count as one story? 42-67, they all plend into one big story.

No.

Davis’ Excalibur splits as follows:
#42-50 (you could likely split this into #42-46/47-50, but I’ll allow it as one long story – and I’ll count it as such if anyone has already voted for the individual elements of it)
solo stories and fill-ins
#55-56
#57-58
fill-ins
#61-67

Can we vote for the non-mutant titles that Claremont was writing in the 70?s and 80?s as long as we only vote for the stories that specifically crossed over with X-Men continuity? To be more specific, I’m thinking things like Avengers Annual #10, Iron Fist #15, Marvel Team-Up #100, etc.?

I ask because Avengers Annual #10 would definitely make my top ten if it’s eligible, and I suspect it would for several other people as well. MTU 100 might as well.

Not a stupid question at all.

Sure, you can vote for any solo X-Men character appearances in Marvel Team-Up or Marvel Two-in-One. They just have to be SOLO appearances. So Storm’s story in #100 (or Karma’s in the same issue) would count but not when the X-Men were featured in MTU #150. So Iron Fist #15 wouldn’t count and nor would Avengers Annual #10.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

August 6, 2013 at 12:51 pm

In reference to the War of Kings question, I don’t think it counts, as it isn’t a mutant-related story at heart. Yeah, it has Alex, Rachel and Polaris in there, but the main thrust of the story is about the Inhumans vs. Vulcan.

If it does end up counting, Brian, I’m going to have to redo my list. Just FYI!

Yeah, I’m going to go with a no on War of Kings. It is a VERY close call, though.

@Third Man: This list /absolutely/ has a shoe-in for the number one spot.

I mean, I /could/ be wrong? But I don’t think I’m wrong.

I don’t think this has been asked yet, but what about a non X-related title that co-starred an X-Man? I’m specifically thinking of Captain America Annual #8, which was a Cap and Wolverine team-up story.

Shoot, Brian, sorry, I meant to put the numbers in front of my list for easy tracking. Sorry! It, of course, should be 1-10. Just didn’t mean to cause any confusion. I can be such a doof sometimes.

Do we vote for David’s recent (since 2006) X-Factor work by trade? IIRC, there were single issue and smaller stories that took place during the TPB’s that could technically be voted for by themselves. For instance, #13 is pretty isolated from the meat of the “Many Lives of Madrox” TPB.

Just how much of Uncanny X-Force counts towards The Dark Angel Saga? The TPB starts at #8, but #9 isn’t related to the story, but then it gets back into it with #10 and chapter 1 proper starts with #11. I’m assuming it’s #8 and #10-18? And Final Execution, despite also being two trades, I’m assuming counts as #25-35?

Thanks for doing this. I thought the X-Men list was difficult enough to vote for, but my head is already spinning with ideas for this list and I haven’t even attempted to pick anything. So much X-Factor to pick from…

Would the John Francis Moore/Adam Pollina X-Force road trip arc (#71 – 82) count as one story or would each issue be a separate story.

New Mutants Annual 2/X-Men Annual 10? You can make a good arguement for that being a continuous New Mutants story

New Mutants Annual 2/X-Men Annual 10? You can make a good arguement for that being a continuous New Mutants story

Sure, I’ll allow it. The X-Men Annual IS pretty much a New Mutants story. Don’t worry, though, if you only voted for the New Mutants Annual #2, people, I’ll still count it.

Would the John Francis Moore/Adam Pollina X-Force road trip arc (#71 – 82) count as one story or would each issue be a separate story.

One story.

Do we vote for David’s recent (since 2006) X-Factor work by trade? IIRC, there were single issue and smaller stories that took place during the TPB’s that could technically be voted for by themselves. For instance, #13 is pretty isolated from the meat of the “Many Lives of Madrox” TPB.

Vote for solo stories if you think they apply. If there ends up not being enough support for the solo stories, I might end up just lumping them together into a trade, but try for the solo stories first.

Just how much of Uncanny X-Force counts towards The Dark Angel Saga? The TPB starts at #8, but #9 isn’t related to the story, but then it gets back into it with #10 and chapter 1 proper starts with #11. I’m assuming it’s #8 and #10-18? And Final Execution, despite also being two trades, I’m assuming counts as #25-35?

Yes to both. But really, “Dark Angel Sage” and “Final Execution” is enough, ya know? The precise issue numbers aren’t as important.

@ Philip Ayres

I was just thinking the same thing as I was pulling my list together.

Inferno!!

I understand no on War of Kings. I only ask because one of the things brought up in story is that the universe as a whole is aware a lot of what happened represented Earth issues, like mutants, spilling out into the universe. Plus it picks up so many X-men things like the third Summers brother, Starjammers, the Shiar (various) characters with origins in the X-men, etc. Oh, and it has a prologue an X branded book (X-men: Kingbreaker).

However, it also does pick a large amount of Fantastic Four plot threads and characters too.

Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, like I said, it’s a very close call.

How would I count the new x-men stories by Chris yost? All 5 trades are called childhood’s end so i know that isnt one story but I would really argue that the first 3 trades really are. Any help would be appreciated. I love those stories!

Hey Brian-

If you’re able to or if you think about it, please move New Mutants Annual #2 up to #2 on my list (I think I had it 7 or 8 in my vote). Now that I know it’s combined with UXM Ann. 10, it would definitely be my #2 vote.

But if you’ve already counted my votes, don’t worry about it, not that big a deal.

Also would you count generation x 1-3 as one story or would you break it down 1 and 2-3?
Thanks!

Also would you count generation x 1-3 as one story or would you break it down 1 and 2-3?
Thanks!

I’ll count it as #1-3.

How would I count the new x-men stories by Chris yost? All 5 trades are called childhood’s end so i know that isnt one story but I would really argue that the first 3 trades really are. Any help would be appreciated. I love those stories!

You really do have a good argument for the first three trades being one story. Hell, let’s go for it! #20-31 as “Childhood’s End.”

Wonder Woman once said a Storm is coming. Does that story count?

Thanks Brian. I should have asked this earlier but how is the first few issues of Age of Apocalypse counted? It’s 1-5 in the trade but I feel l feel like that wasn’t all one story

Does the most recent volume of New Warriors count? The one with all the depowered mutants?

Thanks Brian. I should have asked this earlier but how is the first few issues of Age of Apocalypse counted? It’s 1-5 in the trade but I feel l feel like that wasn’t all one story

I think that’s a case where we should just stick with the trade.

I don’t think this has been asked yet, but what about a non X-related title that co-starred an X-Man? I’m specifically thinking of Captain America Annual #8, which was a Cap and Wolverine team-up story.

I don’t like it as it seems like a bit of a wasted voting tangent (as I’d rather people concentrate on stories more likely to show up on the list so we could get more of a consensus), but I guess it’s all right.

Does the Longshot limited series count?

That was a lot easier and faster than I expected!

The only change I had to make after seeing the new list of rules was drop the hilarious Deadpool #11 Spidey parody issue and put in something else.

This should be fun, except for a few stories this will be utterly unpredictable!

Does the Longshot limited series count?

I’ll allow it.

How does the run up to X-Factor’s renumbering count? Pretty much everything from the birth up through the whole future arc was interconnected. Is that one arc starting with the child being born, or two different arcs?

And how do the first 6 issues of New Mutants Volume 2 (the one with Wind Dance, Elixir, etc) count? One arc, or four one shots and then 5 and 6 as a two parter?

I voted for just Nimrod in “Childhood’s End”. Feel free to change that to the whole arc. Between this list and my vote for Messiah Complex last time, I’ll have voted for almost the whole run.

How does the run up to X-Factor’s renumbering count? Pretty much everything from the birth up through the whole future arc was interconnected. Is that one arc starting with the child being born, or two different arcs?

Yeah, let’s count the baby’s birth through #50 as one story. Two trades but one story. If anyone voted for the issues leading into it already, don’t worry, I’ll just count your vote this way. This is also a good way to make sure #39 makes the list.

And how do the first 6 issues of New Mutants Volume 2 (the one with Wind Dance, Elixir, etc) count? One arc, or four one shots and then 5 and 6 as a two parter?

#1-6 as one story.

Holy crap is this ever going to be hard. X-Force and X-Factor contain most of my favorite X-Men stories. Plus all the Wolverine that I love, and things like District X.

There was a moment when I was looking at my list of 20 and noticing I had a decent ten for a Wolverine top list. I will have to just wait until Wolverine turns 40 next year.

Brian so I’m guessing that the Days of Future Present Annuals count?

Brian thank you for clarifying “Excalibur” for me.

This will be a hard one. I know “Uncanny X-Men” and “X-Men” (and “Astonishing,” “New,” etc.) like the back of my hand. The spin-off series, however, there’s a whole lot I like and a whole lot I hate. Most of the like falls into the category of the Madrox-Strong Guy-Wolfsbane X-Factor, the ones that used to work for the government in the ’90s and became detectives in the ’00s. A little like for mid-volume Generation X. A lot of contempt for the original New Mutants. I feel like either I’m going to vote extremely late on this one while I figure it out, or end up not voting at all.

I do agree with the other posters who said Wolverine should have his own separate countdown. After all, he’s become his own franchise; there’s more than 300 issues of material there alone to mine from between his solo series, “Marvel Comics Presents,” and graphic novels. Another point: I wouldn’t consider “Captain America,” Iron Man,” and “Thor” to be “Avengers family” titles, as they too are their own franchises.

[But now that I bring it up ... Hey Brian, if we are allowing solo Wolverine on this countdown, then "Marvel Comics Presents" does count, yes?]

Oh yeah, MCP definitely counts.

All of a sudden it just got easier then!

Why wait until he turns 40 next year, when this year is he 25th anniversary of his solo series?

I haven’t finalized my list yet, but I actually do want to vote for Wolverine’s debut in The Incredible Hulk #180-181 as was mentioned in one of the earlier comments. What’s the verdict?

Also, I’m assuming that the Angel story from Marvel Fanfare #40 counts?

Like I said before, I don’t like it, but I’ll allow guest-appearances in other titles like Wolverine’s debut if people really feel that a guest appearance by an X-Men character in another title is one of the 10 greatest X-Family stories ever told.

And sure, Marvel Fanfare stories count.

Who left this can of worms out here on the coffee table?

My favorite Wolverine guest starring role ever was as part of the “New Fantastic Four” (along with Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, and Hulk) during Simonson’s run on Fantastic Four. Is this eligible or is that pushing it?

That’s pushing it too far.

Here’s a question that doesn’t appear to have been asked yet:

How would you count those “Counter X” books (Generation X, X Man and…X Force, I think?) that Ellis was in charge of there a year or so before Morrison and X-Statix and all that. Would each Counter X title count as a separate storyline?

Keep in mind I haven’t actually read these myself, so I won’t be voting for them (unless by some miracle I get to what I have of ‘em in the next week and LOVE them), but I thought on the off chance someone else liked them but wasn’t thinking of them right off, I’d mention them.

And like Third Man sez, I like how this one will be harder to guess as to what’s up top (or in it at all, really). There are about 5 I can think of that seem like shoo-ins to make the list, and high on it, but this one’s going to be interesting.

OK, they all are, but this time, we won’t have the “oh, we all know what 1-3 is” posts on the 4-6 post. So aggravating!

How would you count those “Counter X” books (Generation X, X Man and…X Force, I think?) that Ellis was in charge of there a year or so before Morrison and X-Statix and all that. Would each Counter X title count as a separate storyline?

The Counter X books were all unrelated, so they would be separate stories each.

Oh, and as to another question I don’t think I answered – Days of Future Present is not eligible.

With Counter X, I think they lasted, what, a year and change? Would each Counter X title be one storyline? (IE, Generation X 63-75) Or would each part of that be counted separately?

I’m guessing I’m overthinking it because I’m guessing no one is voting for them anyway :)

I’ve started putting together my shortlist. This is going to be very, very hard.

Regardless, the final list should be VERY interesting. With the X-Men stories, you could guess most of what would show up. With this one . . . It’s going to be interesting.

With Counter X, I think they lasted, what, a year and change? Would each Counter X title be one storyline? (IE, Generation X 63-75) Or would each part of that be counted separately?

I’m guessing I’m overthinking it because I’m guessing no one is voting for them anyway :)

Each arc counted separately.

Can we include X-men and Alpha Flight (Chris Claremont and Paul Smith) #1-2?

Read the rules. “How do we count crossovers that involve the X-Men? Here’s how we will do it – you can’t vote for crossovers just by themselves if they include the X-Men.”

How about X-Men: The 198?

The begining of New Mutants and the Peterd David on X-Factor should have Omnibus edition allready!!!!!
(and of course, all the new run from Madrox: Multiple Choice until the end of X-Factor!!! briliant work!!!)

I’m Also enjoying a lot of the new Cable & X-Force!

Ohhh, dude… I forgot about BWS’s Weapon X from MCP in the 90s. Damn. I should have put that on my list…

Question for Brian:
What about X-Factor in the period between Mutant Massacre and Inferno? It’s basically just one long interlocking story, but that’s a chunk of 25 issues or so.

Question for Brian:
What about X-Factor in the period between Mutant Massacre and Inferno? It’s basically just one long interlocking story, but that’s a chunk of 25 issues or so.

I know it’s tough, but I’ll have to go with splitting them. X-Factor Mutant Massacre is one story, X-Factor Fall of the Mutants is another. When people vote for them without a split, I’m going with the Fall of the Mutants storyline as the main vote (as that’s the one that has had the most voting support by far).

This poll has cost me money

I dug out my ancient (1989/90 ish) trade of one of the storiesnamed above to have a look at. The colour repro has not lasted well with age. So there’s a HC version of it en route to my Death Fortress in Swindon as we speak

real questions: StarJammers? no mutants or tie to Xavier’s dream (except to Lilandra and the Shiar) but a clear spin off from Uncanny X-Men.

Just to be sure, we can vote for just half of an A+X issue, right?

I really like how this is going to show how popular certain characters / teams / storylines are. Probably have around 200 to 300 options to rank.

Brian, thanks for taking this task on!

Jesus. Thanks to Brian as always for all the hard work, but thanks to all of you voting, too.

I love reading these lists when they’re done, but the actual voting is WAY too hard for me to do. I just know that, after hours (if not days) of deliberation, I would turn in my list and not 20 minutes later start to think “Oh, but I forgot (BLANK) and (BLANK) and fucking (BLANK)! I gotta ask for my list back!” But alas, it would be too late.

Let’s just suffice to say my list would be mainly “Generation X”, Claremont/Davis “Excalibur”, and ’80s “New Mutants”. There. That’s as close to voting as I can do.

Shit, just realized I forgot to include any of Casey/Ladronn’s Cable run on my list. Sigh.

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August 7, 2013 at 4:11 am

Read the rules. “How do we count crossovers that involve the X-Men? Here’s how we will do it – you can’t vote for crossovers just by themselves if they include the X-Men.”

Got it. Didn’t realise it constituted as a “cross-over” since it was technically a limited series unless you count it as part of Asgardian Wars. However, since there was no X-family involved (and I suppose since Alpha Flight was already banned) I can take this off my list, no? Thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, in the case of the two New Mutants annuals, I’m allowing people to vote for them, as both New Mutants Annual #2/X-Men Annual #10 and New Mutants Special Edition #1/X-Men Annual #9 are really more New Mutants stories than X-Men stories so it just didn’t seem right to omit them.

I can’t believe I didn’t vote for any Mike Carey stories for the other X-Men countdown. I expect X-Factor (both runs), Uncanny X-Force, and Wolverine to be in the top ten. I just really hope Exiles makes the list. It’s been so long I only remember the first volume really well.

Third Man, Casey/Ladronn’s Cable’s run is by far my favorite use of Cable. None have even come close to touching it or making Cable as interesting as those two did.

If it was a top Cable list (why would there ever be such a thing?) I would have just broke their run out to as many storylines as possible.

That was really tough. I’ve got one from PAD’s original X-Factor run, three from his more recent run, two from Exiles, one from Excalibur, one from an Excalibur spin-off, one from X-Statix, and Magneto: Testament. I probably should’ve checked ahead of time that it’s eligible, but I see no reason why it wouldn’t be.

Oh yeah, Magneto Testament is eligible.

I dunno if I’ll have room for anything else after all the Dazzler and Fallen Angels stories.

About half my list is from 2005. Weird.

Out of curiosity, how is the Cross-Time Caper going to be counted? I mean, it lasted for two years. Will you be breaking it down by arc? Or just counting the whole damned thing as one story? I can’t see any single part of Caper making the list, but as a whole, it stands a chance.

I can honestly understand either choice. I’m just wondering which way you’ll go.

On a personal note regarding Excalibur, I feel a little bad about not including the Girls’ School From Heck. I actually enjoyed that arc, and I feel like we need a return to St. Searle’s. That’s probably not very likely, though, sadly.

Cross Time Caper will count as one story.

Did you give a judgement on The 198? I know it officially has X-Men in it, but, to me at least, it’s more like a continuation of District X.

A question for Brian.
Does the S.W.O.R.D mini count ?

I’m sure it’s ineligible for this list, but i’m a bit suprised the X-Men/Titans book didn’t make the X-Men only top 50. was I the only one who voted for it?

No, it did okay. Somewhere in the 50s.

Did you give a judgement on The 198? I know it officially has X-Men in it, but, to me at least, it’s more like a continuation of District X.

You’ve convinced me. Sure, I’ll allow the 198.

Does the S.W.O.R.D mini count ?

Sure, I guess that and Starjammers can both count. They both seem a bit out of place on this list but sure, you can vote for it.

Oh, and someone asked about how A+X works. Yeah, just vote for the individual story you want to vote for.

I’m sure it’s ineligible for this list, but i’m a bit suprised the X-Men/Titans book didn’t make the X-Men only top 50. was I the only one who voted for it?

I sure did. But then I voted for X-Men/Micronauts too.

I am really interested in this list moreso than the X-Men titles…Dark Phoenix, AoA, Days of the Future Past were shoe ins for the top 5.

This list is anyone’s game. I have a guess for number 1, but i’ll keep it to myself.

I just hope some of the lesser known titles (ones that haven’t been reprinted in years) get a little bit of love.

A certain shapeshifter’s ongoing and a former British Black AIr agents mini deserve some love.

How did I not vote for the X-Men/Teen Titans crossover on the last list? That was literally my first comic ever!

@buttler. I voted for xmen/micronauts too. Clearly only our ballots should’ve counted

I am not certain if this is a good idea or whether it would have been better to split the different major branches of the X-family (Wolverine, New Mutants, X-Factor ["God. I Hate our team's name"], X-Force, Excalibur, Exiles, Generation X, etc.) into different lists.
Still it may be interesting to see how the various branches compete against each other (unless Wolverine dominates the resulting top 50) and which of the shorter series (Gambit, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Generation Hope, XMen 2099, Dark XMen, etc) make the results.

I have voted.
I had 8/10 in Avengers and 8/10 in XMen
this time I’m predicting about 4/10 (with some failing to make the top 200)

Fallen Angels gonna sweep this thing. I just know it. C’mon Devil Dinosaur!

I voted for two or three things that I am fairly confident will make the Top 50, as well as several more “oddball” choices. It will be interesting to see if any of THOSE make the cut!

You’ve convinced me. Sure, I’ll allow the 198

Cool – Thanks!

(not that I expect it to make the top 50)

Can we vote for Si Spurrier’s Legacy on this one?

Also what about the Generation X issues of Age of Apocalypse?

Read guidelines 6 and 9, Ed.

But yes to both.

Oh, poop! Over the last 24 hours, I remembered that there were a couple of stories that I wanted to vote for and I forgot to! Sorry, Brian. If possible, please ignore yesterday’s vote from me, and instead count the one I’ll be sending in about ten minutes. Thanks!!!!!

Double poop! Now I realized that I forgot all about those great Cable stories by James Robinson, Joe Casey, and Robert Weinberger. Oh, I give up. There’s just too many great “X-Men family” stories to keep track of. Maybe someone else will vote for those? I’ll just have to wait until we do a vote for the Greatest Cable Stories. Or did I already miss that one?

I could easily have done 10 Wolverine stories. I wouldn’t have minded if he had been separated out for his own vote.

Or have we had that one?

I am absolutely at a loss to make a top ten. I can’t round it down from beyond a top 30 so I guess I’ll wait and see.

Brian–

Have you had a good turnout for votes so far?

One last bump on the mainpage might get some more votes before the reveal next week

Brian–

Have you had a good turnout for votes so far?

One last bump on the mainpage might get some more votes before the reveal next week

Less than the X-Men and Avengers turnout, but decent enough.

I’m just hoping that Wolverine doesn’t get more than half of the top 50
there is too much other stuff that deserves recognition

(and while there have been top 10s for Magneto, Rogue, Storm and Kitty Pryde -I don’t think wwe’ve had Wolverine or Cable yet)

Someday we’ll have the fifty best stories of the FF? I know it’s a little late but they also completed 50 years.

Boycotting due to the bullsh*t “no Alpha Flight” rule.

Yeah, I’m boycotting too, because Doom Patrol doesn’t count.

@Chris N, yeah it kind of feels like we should have a separate top 25 list for just Wolverine and then a top 50 for all of the other x-titles.

Is it okay to vote for New Mutants #37-43 as a chunk? To me it seems like it’s one story that deals with the death of the New Mutants. #37 Beyonder kills them, #38-40 They’re traumatized in the Massachusetts Academy, #41-42 are Dani and Sam dealing with their death individually, and #43 feels like a coda bringing the team back together in a catharsis.

What about Wolverine #34-46, is that okay as one story? It’s basically the story of the Hunter in Darkness creature.

I just want to note that I didn’t include a single Wolverine story on my list. Mostly because my list was filled with PAD X-Factor, and a few other things.

But I’ve never been a particularly big fan of Wolverine. I have always liked Cyclops way more than Wolverine. Even on the ’90s cartoon. Yeah, you read that right: I liked Cyclops in X-Men: The Animated Series way more than I liked Wolverine. (Though Cathal Dodd is still the voice I hear when I read Wolverine.)

The reason for my preferences is actually pretty simple. Cyclops was always a nice guy. Wolverine was always an asshole. Just such an asshole. And as a nice guy myself, I just naturally gravitated towards the nice, quietly badass Cyclops than the arrogant, show-off jerkass Wolverine.

Hmm, It still says my comment is awaiting moderation. I hope my vote got counted! I beat the deadline yesterday!

Damn. I missed the deadline.

I guess one more vote for the Wolverine mini wouldn’t have made that big a difference ….

On the eve of the results, maybe 5 -10 that just missed the mark??

On the eve of the results, maybe 5 -10 that just missed the mark??

On the eve of the results, I haven’t counted enough of them to even know that information myself yet. ;)

I was made to understand the results would be posted today.

I was made to understand the results would be posted today.

I’ve decided to do 10 on Thursday rather than five on Wednesday and five on Thursday. It’s a bigger post to kick off the countdown. It takess the same amount of time for the countdown.

Did anyone vote for specific X-Men or X-Men villain Mini Series other than Wolverine?? I figured the list would be full of New Mutants, Wolverine, X-Force, X-Factor books, but what about solo series?

I ended having 5 of them on my list and I am not sure they are going to get any support. IE Mystique’s ongoing or the Wisdom mini series

JAlexander – I voted for 2 solo stories of 1 XMan and a solo story for an associated story (and 7 team stories)
I did not vote for any Wolverine stories …I intend to reveal which next week (when the top 50 is complete)

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