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Month of Avengers/X-Men Top Fives – Top Five X-Men Who Debuted Outside of the X-Titles

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All month-long we’ll be featuring top five lists about either the Avengers or the X-Men. Here is an archive of all the past top five lists!

Today we’ll take a look at the top five X-Men who debuted outside of the X-Titles.

Enjoy!

NOTE: I’m not considering Siryn, Layla Miller, Sabretooth or Jamie Madrox as X-Men for this list.

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Madison Jeffries debuted in the pages of Alpha Flight before eventually coming over to the X-Men and serving as part of their science squad, the X-Club alongside Doctor Nemesis, who was a Golden Age character who wasn’t even a Marvel character! Roy Thomas brought him to the Marvel Universe in 1993 with an Invaders mini-series. Currently, the good Doctor has turned over a new leaf from his evil days when he fought the Invaders during the War. Now he is the charming and aloof member of Cable and X-Force (and the X-Men’s science team, the X-Club).

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5. Karma

Karma debuted in Marvel Team-Up #100, written and drawn by Chris Claremont and Frank Miller.

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She soon joined the newly formed New Mutants (by the by, technically the New Mutants all debuted in a “non-X-title,” as they debuted in Marvel Graphic Novel, but come on, that totally counts as an X-Title. It’s like saying that God Loves, Man Kills was not an X-title because it was a Marvel Graphic Novel, as well).

4. Longshot

Chris Claremont enjoyed the story of then-X-Men editor Ann Nocenti’s mini-series Longshot (with artists Art Adams and Whilce Portacio) so much that he quickly added Longshot to the X-Men and brought the concept of Mojoworld fully into the X-Titles.

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3. Psylocke

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After debuting in the eighth issue of her brother Captain Britain’s comic, Psylocke had a crazy career in Marvel UK before “coming to America” and becoming a top member of the X-Men.

2. Rogue

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Rogue debuted in Avengers Annual #10, fighting the Avengers and more than holding her own.

1. Wolverine

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I forgot the kooky Canadian for a second there. Obviously he’s tops on the list.

That’s the list! Agree? Disagree? Let me know!

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The Crazed Spruce

September 11, 2013 at 4:04 am

I’m a bit disappointed that Dazzler didn’t at least rate an honorable mention, and utterly amazed that Wolverine didn’t make the list, but otherwise not bad.

Dazzler debuted in X-Men #130. But yeah, Wolverine was just a silly mistake on my part. I fixed it!

What, no Madrox?

Does Sabertooth count as an X-Man? I’d put him above Karma.

What, no Madrox?

I don’t really consider him an X-Man. Same thing with Layla Miller not being on the “Top Five X-Men Created in the Past Ten Years” list.

Does Sabertooth count as an X-Man? I’d put him above Karma.

I would not count him as one, no.

I’ll edit the list to make it clear that I’m not counting Jamie, Layla, Sabretooth or Siryn for the list.

No Jamie Madrox?

Sometimes I can only wonder. What _is_ it that everyone sees in Wolverine? I keep forgetting of his very existence.

The same can be said of Longshot, who is just weird. His original series was so unreadable.

The Longshot series was unreadable? In what way? Was in the new, interesting characters or the amazing Art Adams art?

I didn’t even know the Longshor miniseries existed until recently. I’d always wondered why Longshot had any business in the X-men, but hand-waved it as owing to the fact that he debuted there, but now it’s just completely arbitrary. He’s basically a guy with superpowers that hangs out with mutants a lot.

Boom Boom and Mystique too, but maybe they don’t totally count as X-Men. Also furry Beast.

Beast debuted in X-Men #1. If we’re going to talk about the Betsy Braddock who debuted in Captain Britain as anything close to the same character as Psylocke, we couldn’t possibly talk about subsequent stages of the Beast as if they counted as any kind of debut.

I didn’t even know the Longshor miniseries existed until recently. I’d always wondered why Longshot had any business in the X-men, but hand-waved it as owing to the fact that he debuted there, but now it’s just completely arbitrary. He’s basically a guy with superpowers that hangs out with mutants a lot.

It wasn’t completely arbitrary. Longshot was created by Ann Nocenti, who also wrote his debut limited series. Nocenti was the X-editor at the time, which is probably why Claremont used the character, as a favor to her. She also created Mojo and Spytral, who were also in the limited series. Claremont put them in the X-universe also. I feel Longshot as an X-Man is a dark period in X-history, and a terrible decision by Claremont. Not only was he not a mutant and had no reason to be in the X-Men, but Claremont wrote him terribly, like some weird annoying clueless child. Nocenti wrote him better, but his voice under Claremont was grating.

So what was originally on this list instead of Wolverine?

So what was originally on this list instead of Wolverine?

Everyone just was one spot higher.

Boom Boom and Mystique too, but maybe they don’t totally count as X-Men. Also furry Beast.

Mystique I wouldn’t really consider an X-Man, Boom Boom more so, but even she seems like a bit of a stretch. I love me some Boom Boom, though, so if I thought of her more as an X-Man, she’d definitely be on the list. You can consider her an Honorable Mention, if you’d like!

Namor?

That one is just flat out me not liking him as an X-Man. He definitely IS eligible, though.

I like how Brian is in charge of the “Who’s Actually an X-Man” panel. Maybe he can prevent the inevitable inclusion of Spider-Man.

I don’t think Karma counts a member of the X-Men. She’s from an X-team (New Mutants) and was on Utopia (as so many were), but it’s not really the same.

Siryn, Madrox, and Layla Miller would be disqualified for the same reason.

I’d say Madison isn’t a member of the X-Men either. The X-Club, definitely.

Which kinda leaves Sabretooth by default. Or Namor, but that’s kind’ve a cheat since he appeared before the X-Men even existed.

Well the New Mutants were X-men, they were just the school aged junior team to the more experienced senior one.

I was surprised to see Rogue at #2, when I fully expected #1…so count me among the folks who forgot that crazy canuck for some reason. Guess he was doing one of those ninja “hide-in-plain-sight” dealies.

I don’t think Karma counts a member of the X-Men. She’s from an X-team (New Mutants) and was on Utopia (as so many were), but it’s not really the same.

The New Mutants squad was specifically referred to as an X-Men team by Cyclops. It wasn’t like she was just sitting around at Utopia doing nothing like, I dunno, Toad or something.

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Karma was a part of the Astonishing X-Men team during the later part of its run I believe.

I’ve always like that Madrox has never been an X-Men proper. It make him an outsider among outsiders (X-Men) among outsiders (mutants).

Saying Namor is an X-Men is like saying Sunfire is an Avenger. It’s technically true, but putting him on the a similar list (top 5 Avengers who debuted outside the Avengers titles) defeats the purpose, because technically he’s an X-Men first. Besides, Namor predates the X-Men, so of course he debuted outside an X-Men title.

Sabretooth isn’t an X-Men because despite his nanite-filled tenure, he’s really only been a villain. Hence the nanites. And same with Mystique.

Has there been a meeting between Captain America and Doctor Nemesis since the later joined the X-Men? I would think that Cap would be more than slightly annoyed that the X-Men allowed Nemesis to join them, considering that back during World War II he was collaborating with the Nazis in a plot to wipe out millions of innocent people with a combination of an earthquake and a poison gas attack in order to force the United States to drop out of the war. Not the sort of thing you’d expect Cap to forget, much less forgive.

Yeah, now that I think about it, the X-Men will let nearly anyone join their group, no matter how bad their crimes have been in the past. No wonder their public relations are always in the toilet!

Imagine if Wolverine hadn’t been chosen to join the X-Men in Giant Size #1. He’d probably just be a recurring Hulk villain at best. Now there’s a strange thought!

Thirty-two years later and I’m still freaked out by those panels where Rogue trashes Cap and proceeds to essentially mind-rape the dude by frenching him out of his powers. Not exactly Cap’s finest hour.

I did like Rogue’s non-sexy original look better than anything post-Romita. She kicked ass and took names in a way which made her far more threatening as a villainess.

Look at the costume you’re wearing, Wolverine. I think you might not want to throw “freak” around. :)

“God, look at you freaks! Makes me sick! Why can’t you be a totally normal 5’3” Canadian mutant with a metal skeleton and retractable claws and excessive body hair like me? I would say I’ve never seen anything so crazy, but at this point I’m probably at least 100 years old and look like I’m about 30. So that’s pretty crazy. What was I saying?”

Everyone just was one spot higher.

So it was originally a top 4 list? Or was one of the honorable mentions 5?

Will Firestar makes the Avengers top 5? TBD.

So it was originally a top 4 list? Or was one of the honorable mentions 5?

The latter.

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