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COMIC LEGEND: Mr. Monster and Swamp Thing nearly had a crossover.


Michael T. Gilbert’s Doc Stearn…Mr. Monster was an excellent independent comic book series during the 1980s.


Eventually Gilbert became friends with superstar writer Alan Moore, and Moore even guest-scripted some Mr. Monster comics, even doing a Mr. Monster pin-up!

However, the pair actually were going to go further and actually have a crossover of their characters! A Mr. Monster/Swamp Thing crossover comic!

The deal was approved by DC and Eclipse (who were the publishers of Mr. Monster at the time) and it would have been the first cross-company crossover between DC Comics and an independent publisher…


Gilbert and Moore had even plotted the story (which Gilbert later described as “a romp through the horror worlds of various old comic book companies”), but right before Gilbert began to actually produce the story, Alan Moore had his split with DC Comics over Watchmen and without Moore, obviously there was no project left.

Man, how awesome would that have been?

Thanks to Steven W. for suggesting this one (Steven also suggested this week’s Movie Legends Revealed about H.R. Giger and the Batmobile. Quite a week for suggestions, Steve!)

Check out some classic Comic Book Legends Revealed involving crossovers that never came to be!

Did DC actually finis a Wonder Woman/Xena crossover that never saw print?

Did Marvel almost do a Ghost Rider/Casper the Friendly Ghost comic?

Was Avengers Forever originally a totally different crossover called Avengers: World in Chains?

What summer crossover did DC buy from Alan Moore and then never use?

Why did Paramount pass on a Superman/Stat Trek crossover comic?

Did Marvel and Dave Sim plan an X-Men/Cerebus crossover?

Did Batman and Jon Sable almost have a crossover?

On the next page, learn Marvel Comics’ connection to Beatlemania!

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Flash is shocked to see those performers getting stoned.

Steve Whisler Jr.

September 20, 2013 at 9:39 am

Moore as has pretty cool pin-up Mr. Monster. Yes, Mr. Monster art by Alan Moore.

Who is the character in the red costume above Captain America?

@Andrew: That’s the Human Fly, a character from a short-lived Marvel title at the tail-end of the 70s. He doesn’t show up anymore because he was based on a real person that Marvel no longer has any sort of licensing deal with.

I had that issue of AH and I was really looking forward to that crossover.


Wait, there was a BEATLEMANIA movie? That one seemed to have breezed through the theaters faster than LET IT BE!

With all the IP issues using materials belonging to the Beatles would entail, maybe the producers just decided to double down on the potential pain with the Marvel usage…

BTW, wasn’t that smart of them to throw in Ms. Marvel; in addition to everything else, the fact that she premiered seven years after LET IT BE finally came out should have placed in on preclusionary hold…

To be fair, at the end of Beatlemania, it turns out that it was just the Life Model Decoy of John Lennon that was killed.

That looks likes a Neal Adams Flash, although I’m not 100% on that. If so, I’m trying to work out where it’s from.

Pete – maybe Flash 246 from 1976 / 1977 ? http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Flash_Vol_1_246

According to IMDB, both Christina Applegate and Gina Gershon made their debuts in that movie.

@Howson WOW!

@ Captain Swift and Andrew


The Human Fly is alive and kicking in 2013!!!

Not only does he have a new comic in 2013, he will be starring in an independently funded MOVIE!! Wahoooo!!

You can check it out here:


If you google ” Human Fly movie” you’ll get lots of info too.

I love the Human Fly – one of my all-time favourite bronze age characters with art by the amazing ( but an acquired taste ) of Frank Robbins!

Brian from Canada

September 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

It’s amazing how clueless the producers of Beatlemania were. The Beatles didn’t know much about American comics: they’d get the odd one brought in via sailor to Liverpool in the late 50s/early 60s and that’s about it. In the mid-70s, Paul McCartney got a tour of Marvel and didn’t really get anything out of it.

That’s not to say the companies didn’t try. Marvel let Paul project images of Magneto and Titanium Man through a song on the 1975 and 1976 tour.

Jack Kirby actually met Paul and Linda McCartney at a concert in California, where he presented them with some artwork. They also gave him a shout out at the concert. Mark Evanier’s book has pictures from the meeting.

The Beatles did know a bit about certain comic books, hence the reference to Captain Marvel in one song. Marvel was still pretty new (in terms of the “Marvel Universe”) so they probably weren’t big on the Fab Four’s radar yet.

Brian from Canada

September 20, 2013 at 8:04 pm

@Jeff: Captain Marvel’s reference may be more from the movie serials. All four Beatles talk about how much the movies — especially American movies — impacted them in their early teens (particularly The Girl Can’t Help It) and the boys would have been 12-15 in 1955 when they were re-released.

As for meeting Kirby, Evanier will play it up because he was Kirby’s assistant. The McCartney camp hardly makes reference to it. [It’s not even mentioned in the archive edition for that tour’s live album… and there’s a lot of extra material about the tour in there!] Kirby would have been just one of the celebrities who attended the shows, including Elton John, Jackie O., Jack Nicholson, Neil Sedaka, Angelica Houston — and a certain ex-Liverpudian named Richard “Ringo Starr” Starkey, who gave flowers to Paul at the end of their American tour in Los Angeles.

(Nicholson gets special note because the Back In The US DVD from 2002 flashes to Jack many, many, many times.)

That last superhero looks a bit like Buried Alien from Quasar… I wonder if they’re related…

Another big Human Fly fan here from back in the 70s (issue 13 is my favorite and I actually learned the word “chasm” from that cover!)
Marvel did their own Beatles comic in ’78, Marvel Super Special 4, with art by George Perez. I’ve only seen copies on eBay, so I know it exists but it’s out of my price range, sadly.
Finally, in the Beatles movie “Help!”, there’s a short scene with the lads in their apartment, and a bunch of 60s DC books are on the piano. I keep forgetting to watch it again to pause it just to try to identify the covers. I’m not in much of a hurry to watch it again, because it’s a fairly uninteresting movie. You’re better off avoiding their movies and just playing their albums.

Alan Moore didn’t leave DC over Watchmen. While the handling of payments on Watchmen-related merchandise did strain their relationship, that was resolved to his satisfaction. Instead, shortly after that, he left over DC making a unilateral decision to put age-rating labels on all its books without consulting the creative staff.

As far as Venom is concerned, I’d lean more towards truth. Michelinie’s exact quote from David Michelinie’s Grand Design:

“Things went pretty well. Writing the character was a lot of fun. But since I had planned to stay on Amazing for at least 20 to 30 years, I started thinking about the future–and I got a dangerous idea: since Venom had his first story in Amazing 300, why not have his last story in Amazing 400! Yeah! I could kill Eddie Brock off, then have the costume wander around the Marvel Universe for a year or two, joining with various other characters, before settling in on another host and becoming the “New Venom”‘”

So while perhaps Marvel didn’t plan on killing Venom in issue 400, his creator certainly did.

Right, but when Michelinie suggested it, they said no. So Marvel was never going to kill Venom in Amazing Spider-Man #400. As Fingeroth notes, it never even got far enough to be discussed in the plans for Amazing #400, since Michelinie came up with the idea a few years before Amazing #400 plans would have even been formulated.

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