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COMIC LEGEND: Tom DeFalco and Paul Ryan pitched a Superman/Thor crossover

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Reader Hal M. wrote in recently to ask me about a legend about Tom DeFalco and Paul Ryan almost doing a Superman/Thor crossover between Marvel and DC in the late 1990s.

The late 1990s was a time ripe for Marvel/DC crossovers, from the obvious ones like Batman/Spider-Man…

To some less obvious ones like Silver Surfer/Green Lantern…

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and Darkseid/Galactus…

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So a Superman/Thor crossover would have fit right in. However, right off the bat, I would imagine that if there WAS one, it would have been Tom DeFalco working with his other collaborator, Ron Frenz, since the pair had done Thor together…

and Frenz was then currently drawing Superman for DC Comics…

However, I asked Tom DeFalco and he said that neither he and Paul Ryan nor he and Ron Frenz ever pitched a Superman/Thor crossover, although he DID note that he and Frenz had at least talked about it, but it had never gotten past general talk.

So sorry, Hal, no dice!

Thanks to Hal for the suggestion and thanks so much to Tom DeFalco for the information!

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“Mother Box” also helps seal it.

Pretty sure the ancient Greeks invented the new gods taking over for the old gods…

I don’t know if it was the same Jack Kirby Collector piece or a different one; but, I remember a suggested link between the 4th World and Captain Victory, which would extend Kirby’s saga from Marvel to DC to Pacific. I have the Captain Victory stuff, but haven’t gotten around to reading it, so I haven’t explored the idea. It’s intriguing, to say the least.

Really, I say they should have had a Thor/Captain Marvel crossover (can’t remember, did they fight in DC vs Marvel?), since Thor owed a bit more to the Big Red Cheese than Superman, in certain areas. First, Billy Batson says a magic world and in a bolt of magic lightning and thunder he is transformed into the caped superhuman Captain Marvel. Disabled Donald Blake strikes his enchanted walking stick on the ground and is transformed, with magical lightning and thunder, into the superhuman god Thor. All he needed was Mary Thor and Thor Jr. and we are off to the races. Midguard Serpent=Mr Mind! 8)

My dream project for a DC/Marvel team-up was always Sgt Fury/Sgt Rock. Just imagine, the two crossing paths during the Siege of Bastonne, in the Battle of the Bulge. Rock and the “Combat Happy Joes” of Easy Company are part of the defenders of Bastonne (as was Easy Company of the 101st Airborne), and Fury and the Howlers undertake a dangerous mission and airdrop near the town and harass the Germans. Who would be crazy enough to fly in that foul weather? Blackhawk! The two groups would eventually link up and hold off a German advance until relief comes, with the Haunted Tank in the vanguard of Patton’s forces, though following behind Captain America as he leads the charge into the German lines. John Severin and Dick Ayers on art, Archie Goodwin scripting, with alternate covers by Joe Kubert, Jack Kirby, Russ Heath, Alex Toth, and Sam Glanzman. Would have been epic…

… perhaps Mr Simonson could reuse parts of this abandoned Thor story in his upcoming Zombie Thor he’s working on for IDW. — perhaps not the actual working title :) — Wasn’t it Ragnarok?

re: New Gods — I guess I read more Kirby news than most, but I thought that was old hat? I’ve seen extensive family trees including all of Kirby’s Thor/New Gods/Eternals/Captain Victory ancestry in the Jack Kirby Collector. The sort of place Marvel/DC/et al couldn’t quite object to.

I expect to find out that John Byrne was a fan of the New Gods coming out of Ragnarok. My recollection of the GALACTUS/DARKSEID one-shot is that there was a recap page which basically showed versions of Thor and Odin in the 3rd World conflict. Also, I remember DC’s Thor showing up in Byrne’s “Jack Kirby’s New Gods,” but I don’t remember why or in what context.

Brian from Canada

November 8, 2013 at 10:32 am

@Jeff:

Yes, they had Thor battle Captain Marvel in DC vs Marvel. Thor, IIRC, won because he was able to replicate the lightning of Shazam.

And that dream project? Hells yes! Most of those artists are gone, but I’d love is someone with a REAL love of comics and history (Jimmy Palmotti, maybe?) would write a story worth getting a great illustrator to match. That would be an automatic hardcover buy for me.

HOWEVER, Joe Quesada pretty much slammed the door shut on further crossovers with DC by blatantly mocking the distinguished competition on paper after all the years Bob Harras worked to mend fences. DC refused to do any more after Quesada and stories like Mar-Ville — and while I don’t blame them, it will be after an editorial change at Marvel that we’ll get more crossovers, and that’s not likely for the next 10-15 years at this rate.

Anyone fell that Jonathan Hickman’s God is Dead began its gestation as a pitch for a Thor/Ragnarok story?

@Brian from Canada- I don’t know if Jimmy Palmiotti would be the name I’d put forth, perhaps someone like Kurt Busiek or Mark Waid would be cool. Or Charles Soule, since he’s already straddling the line with both companies already and has 30 comics a month out anyway.

Also, that’s a lot of grief to push squarely on Joe Q’s plate. I take it you’re not a fan?

Well, Jim Shooter slammed the door shut, at one point, and other crossovers came to pass; so, it’s not impossible. However, with Warner exercising more direct control over DC and Disney controlling Marvel, I won’t hold my breath.

As I said, dream project. It became more dream as more great creators passed on, and the powers that be at DC and Marvel began to act like 8 year-olds. The closest we ever got was during the Amalgam week, in Bruce Wayne, Agent of SHIELD. There, you had Fury and Rock together, if only for a few scenes. I have other ideas I’d love to see: Doom Patrol/X-Men (drawn by John Byrne), Moon Knight/Batman (drawn by Neal Adams, with covers by Bill Sienkewicz or vice-versa), Defenders/Justice League (with Giffen/DeMattis/Maguire), Man-Thing/Swamp Thing (alternating issues with Len Wein & Bernie Wrightson and Mike Ploog, as well as Steve Bissette, John Tottleben and Rick Veitch involved, plus Steve Gerber resurrected), original Guardians of the Galaxy/Legion of Super-Heroes (with the Khunds and the Badoon), Plastic Man/Mr Fantastic/Elongated Man, Wonder Woman/Wonder Man, Ambush Bug/Deadpool, Impossible Man/Mr Myxyzptlk/Bat-Mite, and Fantastic Four/Secret Six/Warriors Three/Fightin’ Five/the Twelve/Seven Soldiers of Victory all fighting the Calculator and the Mad Thinker!

Hey Brian, thanks for the tip of the hat and kind words about my blog. Love your column.

Interesting to hear that Kirby wanted to sell the New Gods concept to Marvel but didn’t sell it to DC.

Oh wow, I remember writing you about the Thor/New Gods thing a little over two years ago, when I was first rereading all the Fourth World stuff Though I’m sure I wasn’t the only one to bring it up.

Weirdly, I hadn’t even thought about the idea of the New Gods actually having been intended for Marvel, but that Lonar-in-the-wreckage scene really did make it seem like Kirby was strongly implying a connection between his Asgardians and the New Gods.

I remember when Joe Q really pissed off the DC people. I agree that there will be no crossover while he’s in charge.

On another note, I saw Thor last night and really enjoyed it. A lot more than I expected. Much better than the first film. Some little nit-picky issues and a somewhat disappointing climatic battle but otherwise, great.

Thor VS Superman? Uh, no contest, Thor is magic. Superman loses.

AverageJoeEveryman

November 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm

Thor has one very dainty, very point hand in that last pic for the first legend.

Green Latern’s costume…. yeeeeesh, the 90′s…

Thor VS Superman? Uh, no contest, Thor is magic. Superman loses.

Yeah, I remember all those times that Superman just wilted and died when he fought Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman because their powers are magic-based.

In fact, a foe having magically-based strength has never been a particular issue for Superman. That’s just a complete misunderstanding to his vulnerability to magic. It’s not that he’s any more vulnerable to magic than anyone else is–it’s just that his Kryptonian powers give him no special protection against spells and such.

The second page with Lonar, 4th panel down: Is that Dr. Donald Blake’s “cane” in the lower right corner?

The crossover I’d most like to see is Wonder Woman and Captain America in WWII.

Yeah, I’d love to see an Elseworlds’style crossover where it was Steve Rogers who washed up on Paradise Island.

But heck, I’d love to see any intercompany crossover starring Wonder Woman. It’s just mind-boggling to me that it’s never happen.

…never happened, that is.

Lest we forget, The Amalgam-verse did give us Super-Soldier (which was awesome).

Marvel vs DC was such a disappointment, but Amalgam was soooooo much fun. Bullets and Bracelets was a comic I’d have read for years.

One of my favorites crossovers during that time was the Captain America and Batman crossover…The GOLDEN AGE versions. Byrne did a great job with that book..I fondly remember it well!

Anyone know if they ever returned to the Young Gods storyline from around Thor 204 or so? I don’t ever remember them following through on that….but could have missed it.
And while I’m on Thor….love Walt Simonson…but why in the Thunder God’s name would you hire him to draw Thor in the 260 range…(Or Rampaging Hulk for that matter same era) and cover him up so completely with a Alfredo Alcala or Tony DeZuniga? Never seemed to make much sense.

Thor’s powers aren’t magic-based in the way that Juggernaut is. He’s a god, and I think that’s something different.
Amalgam was great. Many good moments such as Dr.Strangefate’s unmasking or the Red Ghost winning Gorilla City for the USSR.

I actually wouldn’t want to see a Sgt. Fury and Sgt. Rock crossover. I don’t think it would be much good. While Sgt. Fury had its moments, I think DC’s war comics was one of the few things DC far outdid Marvel at in the Silver Age. To me Marvel dominated on the superhero front in the Silver Age, but in war comics, DC to me was way better. I don’t think a crossover that stayed true to the spirits of both creations would be good. Then again you never know, since Kirby did do a stretch where he “marvelized” the Losers at DC and it actually worked.

Thor’s powers aren’t magic-based in the way that Juggernaut is. He’s a god, and I think that’s something different.

I also got the idea that Kirby viewed the Asgardian Gods as a type of superscience more than magic.

LOL at that Amazing Adventures cover. Who the heck “demanded” that Black Widow share a comic with the Inhumans? And why?

My demands are simple. Black Widow, Black Bolt, Black Panther, Black Cat, Black Knight, Black Crow, Black Fox and Black Goliath. Call it Black Watch or something. Okay, go.

T, I totally agree. DC’s war comics are what got me into comics in the first place. My Dad would buy us Little Lulu and Casper and such, but he bought G.I.Combat and Star-Spangled War Stories for himself. Guess which ones I liked the best.

Joe Kubert and Russ Heath and oh my gawd were those comics beautiful to look at!

@buttler–The obvious name for that comic would be “None More Black”.

@buttler- That’s not always true. In the All-Star Squadron, for example, the Dragon King was able to control Superman but not the non-magical heroes. Superman’s “vulnerability to magic” depends on the writer- on the one hand you have a story where Batman worries that a vampire will be able to kill Superman because she’s magic and his invulnerablity won’t protect him from her fangs, on the other hand there are stories where Superman can easily shrug off blows from Captain Marvel.

@ buttler. There’s something about this that’s so black, it’s like how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black.

Beat me to it, Black Doug. Damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In one story, Kirby strongly implied that Captain Victory is the son of Orion of the New Gods, which makes him Darkseid’s grandson.

I am a HUGE fan of Jack Kirby’s New Gods. However, I’ve only read a handful of his Thor issues, so I had no idea that there was such a tremendous connection between his conception of Norse mythology and what took place in the Fourth World. Very interesting.

Given everything that was going on between Kirby and Marvel, all the broken promises, I certainly do not blame him for holding on to the idea of the New Gods and taking them with him to DC. That said, considering that the Fourth World titles were prematurely axed by DC, and the subsequent use of the New Gods by writers over the decades has been very hit or miss, part of me wishes that there had been an Image Comics in the early 1970s so he could have retained ownership of all those great characters and concepts.

T – Although Kanigher’s Sgt. Rock stories did get more and more Sgt. Fury-esque as they progressed, switching from Sgt. Rock + Random GI of the week to more of a team book with Little Sure Shot, Bulldozer, Jackie Johnson (originally a one-shot character) etc..

All the time, of course, Kanigher took snide pot-shots at Marvel and Sgt. Fury specifically in his letter page.

@T.

If you look at a random month during the Silver Age, then you would expect to see DC publishing in five or six different genres. There are superhero comics, war comics, romance comics, humor comics, teen comics, western comics and sci-fi comics. Most of them are competent at worst (and professional at best). There are major talents working in all of them.

Marvel, in contrast, is generally working in one, or two, genres. They have a smaller output, because of distribution. So, as the superhero line expanded other genres got cut. Marvel specialized. Every creator that brought in was put to work making their superhero comics better

To me, the Marvel revolution was more of an evolution. Lee, Kirby, Ditko and company were focused on one thing: making superhero comics better. Their ethos wasn’t 100% there in FANTASTIC FOUR #1, but rather it emerged over time. If the same creators had been focused for a decade on making Western Comics better, then we might be waiting for Kid Colt 2 this weekend.

It’s also worth noting that the only time Superman is *completely* useless against magic is when the magic directly affects his mind (such as the Spear of Destiny alluded to by Michael). He’s a smart combatant and as long as he has his wits about him he can still possibly win. Most of his clashes against Mr. Mxyzptlk, for example, are won by him outwitting Mxyzptlk, not finding a way to beat the crap out of him.

Travis Stephens

November 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm

Kryptonians -and to some extent- Daxamites are inherently vulnernable to magicks and sorcery. There was a silver age story called “Curse of the Kryptonians” or something like that which established the concept that Kryptonians have a genetic weakness.

This was more fleshed out in Adventure Comics. I remember reading stories where Superboy and Supergirl were always cautious around magical items or had to take a secondary role when fighting a villain like Mordu. Of course this was a conceit developed to prevent the ultra powerful Kryptonians from making everyone else useless.

While I wholeheartedly agree that DC had it all over Marvel on the war comic front, the period when Gary Friedrich, Dick Ayers and John Severin were handling the book had some excellent stories, with a bit more heart and a little less Wahoo! They varied it a bit. The interesting thing is that Kirby hated Sgt Fury, having lived through the real thing. The Losers was his chance to do war comics the way he felt they should be done and they are great. I wouldn’t say he “Marvelized” them, as much as he gave them his own perspective on things. Kirby wasn’t much for a “quiet” story (though you can find examples where he handled quiet moments beautifully); but, The Losers reads like it came from a combat vet. Of course, he would have preferred to create his own characters, ala the Boy Commandos. Thing is, Kirby’s westerns are outstanding, too (Boys Ranch, Rawhide Kid). The man could handle any genre you threw at him.

One of the things I enjoyed with Kirby’s 4th World stuff, was his continued use of his collages (mostly in Jimmy Olsen). Some of those things are amazing! I have no doubt that if he had chosen to concentrate on them, he could have been a major figure in the “fine art” world.

One of the first comics that ever burnt itself into my young brain was when Superboy and the Legion fled in fear from Mordru. Superboy was so powerful he could do virtually anything, but he ran away from Mordru. I actualy had nightmares about Mordru.

In a way The Inhumans was his first attempt at the New Gods. Advanced civilisation almost comprised of super-heroes and the Aztek “cosmic astronauts” designs that Jack liked so much.

Reading about Jack Kirby and the Losers, it seem like there was some controversy around that time with the readers not happy with the changes he made and not long after the original writer returned to the title….? What was that about and how was his writing different?

Here’s a Thor-related urban legend I’ve never seen resolved. According to various places online, a random paramedic once lifted Mjolnir. I have never been able to find that story.

I would really like to see the dream team up of nightwing and winter soldier. They have so much in common. the two most famous Jr partners of major heros for so many years; taking over their ( Captain America and Batmans) I.D. for awhile all the time not being happy with it and then finally finding their own identities.

Jeff, you have just convinced me to check out The Losers from the local library.
Mutt, while I didn’t have nightmares, Mordru blew me away too–the first truly invincible adversary I’d seen in comics. It’s unfortunate later writers made him a lot weaker, much as they did with Validus.
Regarding Asgard, while Thor (at least in the Silver/Bronze Age) insisted the Aesir were small-g gods (as opposed to the Big G), the fact they have an afterlife for their worshippers’ souls makes them effectively divine in my opinion.

The Angry Internet

November 9, 2013 at 11:34 pm

@Bob

Pretty sure the ancient Greeks invented the new gods taking over for the old gods…

The Babylonian Enûma Eliš and the Hittite “Song of Kumarbi” (which predate the earliest known records of Greek mythology by at least a few centuries) feature the same idea, which is pretty ubiquitous in Indo-European mythologies. The common assumption is that such stories go back to a common Proto-Indo-European myth that was never recorded but survived in the mythology of their descendants.

The paramedic/Mjolnir thing sounds vaguely familiar, but it’s also awfully fishy that none of the references to it online actually cite a particular issue, or even know if it was in Thor or Avengers or what. And a google image search turns up nothing. Pictures or it didn’t happen.

Re: Kirby and the Losers. The Losers were previously portrayed as just that, losers. They were pretty much second string, as far as DC war comics (that’s not to say the stories weren’t good, just not Sgt. Rock or Enemy Ace good). Kirby hated the concept of them being “losers.” He also wasn’t happy about working with someone else’s characters, instead of creating his own. I suspect the complaints (I have the hardcover Jack Kirby’s The Losers, rather than the comics, with letters pages) were over Kirby’s more abstract style, vs the standard look of DC war books (Kubert, Heath, Sam Glanzman, etc…). On the surface, Kirby’s stories look like Sgt Fury, but that is just the Kirby dynamism. On a similar front, I saw one critique of Joe Kubert’s Fax From Sarajevo which felt that his use of sound effects in panels made it seem a bit like a war comic and lessened the impact of the material, which I thought was way off base (they still thought it was a powerful work, just not as powerful as it could be). To me, that was as much Kubert as Losers was Kirby.

I’m sure one of the complaints was the clipped dialogue. Kirby has always been criticized about his somewhat stilted or abstract dialogue. Words were definitely not his forte, and he was definitely not a Robert Kanigher, which was probably jarring to DC readers. However, his dialogue sounds more like the kind of things soldiers would say in a real fight; at least, the parts that could pass the Comics Code. However, his combat scenes look like what combat probably looked like to someone with experience; a frenzy of explosions, ricochets, determined firing, and total chaos. His house-to-house fighting scenes match descriptions I have read and heard in interviews. His men move in crouches, they take cover and are in good firing positions. Sure, there is a heightened realism, as you would expect in a comic. A small unit is surviving against heavy odds (which is probably why Kirby wasn’t fond of war comics as he knew the reality too well). Kirby’s past as an artist didn’t exactly keep him safe in the war. Instead, he was tapped as a scout to make maps of areas that his unit was heading into. Kirby saw plenty of fighting. Mark Evanier, in his excellent Kirby, King of Comics, describes Kirby having two types of recurring nightmares; those about producing enough work to support his family, and those about the war.

Spoilers:

I’ll mention two stories that give a good feel for what Kirby did with the book. The first is “Kill Me with Wagner.” In it, the team is trying to link up with the French Maquis (the Resistance) to get to their objective in a French town. The story opens with combat in a forest. Gunner, one of the Losers, is separated from the rest and captured by the Germans and brought before a German major, who is obsessed with Wagner and plays his pieces on piano. Meanwhile, the Losers are guided to the town by the Maquis and to a tunnel which will lead them to their objective (still unnamed). It turns out that the Nazis are trying desperately to locate a dissident concert pianist named Emma Klein, and she is the objective of the Losers. A group of women have been rounded up and are threatened with death unless Gunner identifies Klein. He refuses and faces certain death when the Losers hit the scene, via a somewhat convenient tunnel into the house. In the ensuing combat, the major is hit but Klein, who had been hiding as the maid of the major’s house, plays The Ride of the Valkyrie, to show the major that his end and that of the Germans is at hand. The major weeps as the notes play out and an Allied artillery barrage hits the town, destroying the house. In the end, the Losers survive, as does Klein, and the Germans are destroyed or scattered. Kirby juxtaposes the imagery of Wagner’s epic piece of Valkyries coming for the slain heroes in the Gotterdamerung against the destruction wrought by the raining artillery shells. It ends with an image of burning tanks and building rubble. It looks like a scene that Kirby probably created from memory more than imagination.

The second story is “Big Max” or “Devastator vs Big Max.” The story revolves around a German super canon, a massive artillery piece (a railway gun, capable of launching shells across 38 miles). The devastation it has created is halting the Allied advance, so a crazy plan is concocted, with the help of a PFC, with the unlikely name of Rodney Rumpkin, a fan of science fiction pulps (as was Kirby). A futuristic war vehicle, named the Devastator is built and then piloted by Rumpkin in an equally futuristic outfit. The machine destroys attacking enemy planes. The Germans learn of the Devastator from dying Allied agents and send messages to the Allies that the dare them to pit the Devastator again Big Max. It turns out that it is all a ruse, that the Devastator is a fake and the “enemy planes” were doctored captured German planes and the plan was the goad the Germans into bringing Big Max into play in the daytime, instead of the usual nightly attacks. An Allied bomber mission is able to spot the position of Big Max and unload upon it. PFC Rodney Rumpkin shares a few features that suggests a young PFC Jack Kirby, though not an exact likeness.

The stories are bold, as Kirby’s were, but they also have some haunting qualities. The dialogue is definitely not the DC norm, and some things look more than a bit ridiculous (such as Captain Storm’s naval officer’s combination cap, with the white cover). Kirby had moved into an abstraction in his art, with thick figures and odd lines giving the impression of features. However, there is that Kirby power there and the stories stand out, compared with the average DC war story of the period. One of the things I at first thought was messed up was that Captain Storm, a naval officer, is wearing Army captain’s bars, instead of a Navy Captain’s eagle. However, I looked a bit further into Captain Storm and saw that he was supposed to be a PT boat skipper, who is a lieutenant (the equivalent of an Army captain), which was fairly standard, such as Lt. John F. Kennedy, skipper of the PT 109. The skipper of a PT boat is the “captain” of the vessel, though he would not be referred to as Captain Storm; but, as Lt. Storm. Chalk that one up to DC as the character was created before Kirby came there. The book may not be for everyone and it doesn’t compare to some of the Kanigher/Kubert classics, but the stories are a cut above the early Sgt Fury strips that Lee and Kirby did (except maybe when Captain America met the Howlers).

ps. (that was my “Anonymous”)

Kirby was forced to shoehorn some “loser” aspect into the epilogue of the story (to fit the DC gimmick) and it generally comes across as forced.

I liked Kirby’s Losers when I read it, but I don’t remember it being particularly memorable. It’s Kirby, so it ain’t like it’s going to be bad.

Isn’t the Thor/paramedic thing where Jake Olsen became the new Thor identity in the Heroes Return Thor series from ’98, which I believe was written by Dan Jurgens and drawn by JRJR?

I probably should have used the term Kirbyize rather than Marvelize. While there is a lot of overlap between Marvelizing and Kirbyizing, since Kirby is arguably makes up anywhere from 30-50% of the DNA of the classic Marvel house style, they are two very different things at the end of the day.

Although I haven’t read any proper Losers stories, I have read many other DC war books and Kirby’s Losers was very different. It was almost surreal and dreamlike in places, which somehow made it feel MORE realistic and grounded if that makes any sense.

I have a such a clear memory of staring at that teaser for the Saga of the Vengance of Thor when I was a kid and thinking that I would read the Hell out of that book.

Oh, wow, I remember that ad with Asgardians with guns so well. I thought Walt’s finally storyline was that, and he just never really used the concepts he had in the ad. But it was to come later. Talk about a run cut way too short. All these retro title like the Iron Man .1′s and such, why can’t we get that!?!

Didn’t later writers refer to Odin and such when mentioning the old gods and things like the Source Wall?

@Les…wouldn’t a Winter Soldier/Red Hood meet make more sense?

Mark Evanier threw a bit of that in during his run, post Cosmic Odyssey, and I believe some of the other writers who used the characters made mention; or, at least, allusion.

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