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Foundationed Deep – Cable and Sunfire

This is the latest in a series (of indefinite length and regularity) of pieces looking at particular odd/strange/interesting instances of retroactively connecting different comic book characters (for instance, Uncanny X-Men #268 retroactively established that Wolverine knew both Captain America and the Black Widow from World War II). Here is an archive of all of the past pieces.

Today we reveal the surprising connection between Cable and Sunfire.

New Mutants #93 (by Louise Simonson, Rob Liefeld and Hilary Barta) revealed that the New Mutants’ new leader Cable knew Wolverine from the past. However, early in their mission in Japan, after walking into a trap, we learn that Wolverine is not the ONLY X-Man that Cable knows from the past…

Yes, Sunfire and Cable go way back. How random is that? Not as random as the NEXT Cable connection coming up!

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God, Sunfire in the third panel of the first page… It looks like he rabbit ears growing out of his legs. That or Sunfire’s 30 feet tall.

And who’s the woman in the first panel of the third page? Both her legs are drawn in a way that makes it look like she has only *one* leg.

that’s boom-boom or boomer or meltdown, whatever she’s calling herself these days…

G’bless Louise Simonson, but the scripting here is almost as terrible as the art.

Oh that issue annoys me to this day. 92 was a fill in. 93 starts VERY suddenly and feels like they just dropped the intended plot for 92….

So was that as far as it went? Just that Cable and Sunfire’s dad knew each other? Or did they expand on it later?

So was that as far as it went? Just that Cable and Sunfire’s dad knew each other? Or did they expand on it later?

That’s it. Like the Vulture bit, this is ripe for future writers to get in there! Especially now that Sunfire is on the Uncanny Avengers.

All this Liefeld art is giving me a serious headache. It’s practically nauseating. The grossly elongated anatomy… God almighty, everyone looks like Ralph Dibny on speed.

AND THOSE FEET. WHY WON’T ANYONE THINK OF THOSE POOR FEET!

The really weird thing is that Cable’s son is eventually revealed to have died in the future, raising questions as to how Shiro knew.

looks like cable is also the kevin bacon of the mu . though the only kid i can think of was genisis that got killed trying to restore a brainwashed wolverines andamantium for apocolpse. unless the kid is from cables future and an aged sunfire knew him by then.

Someone help me. When did I see the panel that Liefeld is aping in the second panel of the second page? I’m positive that I saw that layout before. Some Human Torch panel in FF, perhaps?

Boom-Boom’s spine on the third page. Seriously.

Someone help me. When did I see the panel that Liefeld is aping in the second panel of the second page? I’m positive that I saw that layout before. Some Human Torch panel in FF, perhaps?

It’s a Human Torch swipe from a John Byrne FF page.
http://www.heromachine.com/2009/06/26/reason-12-he-steals-badly/

Seriously, could someone explain to me how Rob Liefeld not only got hired into the comics industry, but how did he become such a fan favorite? Were readers back then that blind to the obvious flaws and stupidity in his art?

Never mind the design of the legs and the curve of the spine. What is wrong with the body proportions of Boom Boom in that panel? Her legs are way too long for her body. She does not look human.

LIefeld…

That’s so fitting that that panel is a swipe, because as I was looking at these pages that was the one panel I thought actually looked pretty cool. Figures it’s because Liefeld stole it from a better artist.

Benn: The earliest Liefeld pages were inked by Karl Kesel and Hilary Barta (neither of whom were on an awful deadline crunch), who had the time to smooth out and fix a lot of the problems.

Seriously, could someone explain to me how Rob Liefeld not only got hired into the comics industry, but how did he become such a fan favorite? Were readers back then that blind to the obvious flaws and stupidity in his art?

I think its’ because early on he was an obvious (although terrible) Art Adams clone, who was terribly slow. Liefeld likes to tell the story of when Todd McFarlane was recruiting artists for the idea of Image, he liked Liefeld and said he was destined to become a huge star because people would rather a terrible Art Adams clone every month than great Art Adams product once a year.

Chalk me up as another person who’s completely baffled at how Liefield ever became a superstar artist. I think comics readers today tend to rely too much on the benefit of hindsight when mocking the 90s, and I can see how some of the concepts might have been appealing to the target audience. But Liefield becoming a star based on his *art*? I just don’t get it.

…I also don’t get why I have a tendency to think his name is “Liefield”.

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