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31 Days of Comics – A Comic That You Used to Love But Now Dislike

Our pal Seth Hahne, of GoodOKBad fame, came up with this 31 Days of Comics challenge, one of those things where each day of the month you’re given a different category that you then make a choice of a comic to fill that category. I figured it would be a fun bit to do, so here we are! Click here to see each of the categories so far!

We continue with Day 21, which is A Comic That You Used to Love But Now Dislike

Read on for my pick and then you can share yours!

This is right up there with “comics that made you cry” in difficulty for me to answer, since just like no comic has actually made me cry, I can’t think of any comic that I loved that I now dislike.

The closest for me is probably Mark Gruenwald’s Captain America run. When I was young, I loved it but as time went by, his take on Cap really did stand out as kind of goofy in comparison to other writers, whose versions I enjoyed better (like Mark Waid, Ed Brubaker, Stan Lee and Steve Englehart). Especially the whole “Cap is distraught over killing a terrorist who was about to kill a bunch of innocent people” bit…

The whole “Steve Rogers gets replaced as Captain America” arc was handled very well. Gruenwald also had a number of top-rate stories following that long arc, but then after #400, his run REALLY fell apart (Cap-Wolf, Armored Cap, etc.). I still look bad on the run fondly, but when I was young, I really loved Gruenwald’s Cap and it really hasn’t held up well (while his Squadron Supreme stuff has held up REALLY well, in comparison).

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I was in love with Gruenwald’s Captain America from about 319 (I think that was the issue where Scourge gathered all those small time hoods in the bar for a massacre) ’til the end of the Bloodstone saga. I stayed on past that, but I felt at the time that the Bloodstone thing was the last of the good Cap stories from that era. I was a freshman in highschool when Steve got the uniform and name back and I had a huge crush on the whole Cap/Diamondback romance (presumably because I was just a freshman in high school).

I haven’t gone back to reread those books because they sit so fondly in my mind that I’d hate the possibility that an adult’s reading of them would tarnish that warm nostalgia.

My own choice is 100 Bullets, though I probably went from appreciation to dislike (instead of from love—since I never truly adored the book).

When I read the first volume of 100 Bullets, I was nonplussed. The writing was mediocre and the art was a bit haphazard (though stylish). That was basically the end of me and 100 Bullets, I thought. And then, for years later, I heard great things about the series. For years, it was one of the ones recommended as a book in which Big Stuff Was Happening. So I gave it another shot, vols 2 and 3. And yeah, with vol 3, things seemed to be picking up. It looked like there was a bigger story than the boring Here’s-A-Suitcase bit. And there was. There was this whole bigger thing for a while and I dug it. For a while.

It turned out I should have gone with my initial instincts. Azzarello is not a good writer. Maybe he will be, but at least on 100 Bullets, everything is overwritten to the point of painful. I mean, sure, there’s overwriting that can be fun and playful. That stuff’s great. This, however, is just painful. It’s all wordplay but not even especially wonderful wordplay. The whole thing was exhausting. (Cass touched on this in yesterday’s 31 Days post.)

Now, if I see Azzarello is working on a book, I simply don’t pick it up. Risso’s art is pretty fine and I don’t really have any complaints. And sometimes it even verges on excellent. But that can’t save it. The whole thing turned into a mess by it’s final volume (which I stuck it out to just to see if it justified the rest).

I’ve wanted to review it but that means reading it again and I don’t really want to. Which rarely happens with comics for me.

Sin City. I loved it through That Yellow Bastard, then thought the next two releases were sub-par. Shortly thereafter I realized the whole series was pretty stupid.

Given how old I am and that I started reading comics int he early 90′s, there are SO MANY applicable comics here that it’s kind of depressing. But first and foremost, anything involving the names Liefeld, McFarlane, and Nicieza are pretty safe bets. (Though some of Fab’s work still holds up, like his bits of Age of Apocalypse and Fatal Attractions.) The Liefeld New Mutants and X-Force are probably the most egregious offenders.

As far as some less obviously awful books that I just don’t really like now the way I liked them in middle school, New Warriors is a big one. I really used to love the first fifty issues of that series, but when I revisited it a few years ago I thought it was virtually unreadable and I quickly unloaded it on eBay.

Since we’re not talking about “books that dropped in quality” that eliminates a lot of what popped into my mind–and like Brian, I’m not sure there’s anything that really qualifies. I’d probably pick Metamorpho–rereading as an adult, it goes way beyond the level of absurdity I can swallow. Though I will say both that and Metal Men taught me an awful lot of chemistry.
100 Bullets hooked me from the first with Graves’ sinister game. As it turned more and more into a straight crime comic (and gave more and more space to the annoying oooh, he’s so badass Lono) my interest dropped. Crime comics just aren’t my thing.
Seth, I loved the Cap/Diamondback romance. Gruenwald showed a good, goofy sense of humor there. I also liked his decision to turn AIM back into tech-suppliers rather than frontline would-be dominators. Though they seem to have reverted back again.

The books I now donate (Superheroes for Hospice) aren’t ones I stopped loving as much as ones I hated at the time but couldn’t bring myself to break a complete run (they were bound to get better eventually, weren’t they?). Like Doug Moench’s dreadful Bat-run.

Green Lantern. He has been my favorite superhero character since I was a kid, but his own title has been like a roller coaster. I enjoyed it very much up until the Crisis on Infinite Earths, after which it changed from Green Lantern to Green Lantern Corps, and it lost my interest. I got into it a few years later, and even stayed with it through the Kyle Rayner years, because I thought the stories were good, even though I hated the way Hal was written out in Emerald Twilight. I was overjoyed with GL: Rebirth in 2004, but dropped the ongoing title around the time of the Sinestro Corps War. I still pick up an issue from time to time to see how it’s going, but I really hate what it’s become. Now that I think about it, I lose interest whenever the number of Lanterns in the regular cast exceeds the number of civilian supporting characters.

Long Halloween? I never /loved/ Long Halloween but in my teens I seemed to accept the narrative offhand that it was a “classic” Batman book.

Or maybe Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men. Which I still /like/, but, like, it was one of the things that got me into comics, and now when people mention it I just jump down their throats about how it wasn’t half as good as New X-Men.

Similar to Third Man, I started reading new comics in 1992 at the impressionable age of 5. So basically to give a complete list of comics I thought were great and now realize are shit would probably overload CBR’s servers.

But aside from commonly reviled 90s XTREME nonsense, one that surprised me recently was Kurt Busiek and Mark Bagley’s Thunderbolts. I didn’t read them when they first came out. I read them in a haul as a late teenager (I’m tempted to say 2005) after my uncle unloaded his back issues on me. I thought of these comics as a real breath of fresh air at the time, but boy, rereading them a few months ago it felt more like inhaling toxic fumes. I’ve never been the biggest Bagley fan, but his art was certainly at its nadir during this period. Again, like Third Man’s New Warriors, these comics very quickly found themselves up for auction on eBay.

Yeesh, tough question. I sold off large chunks of my collection, so I’m not sure what will hold up on a reread 20 years later. I would guess the entire “Age of Apocalypse” saga. I read it when I was 16-ish and thought it was the most awesomest comic concept ever. All new X-Men, apocalyptic universe, time travel–it was great stuff.

When Marvel released the colossal collected editions a few years ago, I flipped through them in the store and they didn’t take nearly the same way. It probably didn’t help that they put the books in a vaguely chronological order, so you got two issues of X-Man, one of Factor-X, etc. in each collection. I think it would have read better if they had put two or three series’ issues #1-4 in each collection. Nonetheless, I found myself kind of disenchanted with a lot of the art and writing as an adult.

And yeah, I agree with Cass that Thunderbolts doesn’t read nearly as well 15 years later either.

It turned out I should have gone with my initial instincts. Azzarello is not a good writer. Maybe he will be, but at least on 100 Bullets, everything is overwritten to the point of painful. I mean, sure, there’s overwriting that can be fun and playful. That stuff’s great. This, however, is just painful. It’s all wordplay but not even especially wonderful wordplay. The whole thing was exhausting.

AMEN. I was a big booster of 100 Bullets at first, but after several volumes I realized that Azzarello couldn’t write, and what were once forgiveable writing tics began to overshadow the whole book. He tries so hard to sound cool and noir and it just sounds ridiculous after a while, especially because it becomes increasingly clear how self-satisfied and in love with his own writing voice Azz is.

Here’s my attempt at writing like Azzarello:

Two guys sit in a bar

Guy 1: Did you bring the…?

Guy 2: Yup. But I don’t get why…?

Guy 1: It’s not your job to get why. It’s never been your job.”

Guy 2: My job’s same as it’s always been. To pull your incompetent fat ass out of the fire.”

Guy 1: Well the fire that’s coming right now is a fucking towering inferno.

Guy 2: The biggest fires burn hottest and brightest…and then they burn themselves out the quickest.

Guy 1: This fire’s been burning a long time. But you know that as well as I do. Burned both of us a long time ago…back in…

Guy 2: Thought we weren’t going to talk about that ever again.

This cryptic pseudoconversation will continue for 20 odd pages until someone gets shot or one of the guys walks out of the bar.

Painful.

Not to mention Azz’s other messed up issues with depicting race.

Good choice on the Gruenwald Cap, and actually 100 Bullets is a good choice too, though I don’t know I disliked it as much as I just wanted it to end.

Mine is one that I expected to have already shown up: Identity Crisis.

The first time I read #1, I got caught up in the emotion of it all and that carried me through some of the issues. As much as I hated the fact that they had killed Sue Dibny, I couldn’t deny my emotional reaction to the book, the power of some of the scenes. The idea of the DC hero and villain communities appealed to me. Then I came to the rape and the mind wiping and suddenly the whole book lost its appeal.

So I could say I loved the start of it and then came to loathe it. Everything I read later confirmed that. The fact that Ralph didn’t solve the case. The revelation of the murderer, which made a mockery of more characters. The other deaths piled on top. It epitomizes what I dislike about a certain mode of thinking about super-hero books.

Other than Identity Crisis, I think I’d also go for some of the books of the 90s. The period on Uncanny X-men and X-men when Jim Lee etc. took over and changed Magneto back to being a villain and killed all the Hellions – those are some bad, gimmick-driven comics that I loathe now.

@Seth, interesting thoughts on 100 Bullets. I heard nothing but praise for it when it came out but the first volume didn’t grab me. I kind of thought that I must not be getting something because everyone loved it that much.

@Brian, I think you hit the nail on the head with “kind of goofy” to describe a lot of Mark Gruenwald’s Captain America run. There’s good stories in there, but then there’s the “Handbook to the Marvel Universe” stories like “all the wolf-based characters in one story” or “all the female villains on one boat”. There’s a goofiness that you have to embrace and it’s sometimes difficult.

There are a metric ton of comics that I thought were the best ever that now I don’t think are all that hot, but very few that I now dislike. Marvels was my favorite comic as a kid and now I just can’t get into it, but I can’t say that I actively dislike it. Some of Frank Miller’s work, too. Even though his DD has aged like wine (I actually like that stuff MORE now than I did back in the day), I can’t really enjoy Sin City or Ronin on the same level that I did when I first read them (though again, I can’t really say that they suck either). Though even in that case there’s an exception: A Dame to Kill For has gotten better over time IMO, while the rest of the series has gone the opposite direction. Madman is another thing that I thought was one of the best superhero books when I was a kid and now I just think it was OK.

As far as stuff that I outright can’t stand… I was a huge fan of the 90s Sub-Mariner series, John Byrne’s Wonder Woman, and most (if not all) of the 2099 line. Looking back the first two were GARBAGE and I have no idea what I ever saw in them (it was a HUGE surprise revisiting those comics years after the fact and finding out that they were infinitely worse than I remembered them being). As far as 2099 goes Spider-Man and Doom actually weren’t half bad, but the rest of the line ranges from mediocre to shit.

And I just thought of another one: Batman: Year Two. WTF was I thinking?

I’m tempted to say I dislike Waid’s Captain America (whereas it was my favorite superhero ongoing when it was coming out), but it’s really more like I just don’t really care about it anymore. I think part of the reason why it seemed so much better at the time is because it was bookened by the Armor Cap ass end of Gruewald’s run and the infamous Heroes Reborn Liefeld run, and by comparison to those it seemed like a masterpiece when it was really just a passable at best book in a sea of garbage from Marvel at the time.

If we’re counting comic strips then my two favorites as a kid (in fact they were probably my favorite comics PERIOD, strip or book, at that age) were Pogo and Calvin & Hobbes. Now I honestly can’t stand either. There’s no doubt that they were both among the most memorable comic strips of all time, but Pogo had NO direction and C&H was just chatter and Calvin’s “imaginary” sequences that were such a heavy focus of the strip grow tired very quickly.

@Elpie — I actually preferred Whedon on X-Men over Morrison.

@Brian Cronin — Stan Lee’s and Steve Englehart’s Cap runs weren’t that hot to be honest. The Kirby stuff has aged much better. And probably the Roger Stern run for that matter.

Also, are we going to get the inversion of this tomorrow/later? Because that would be REALLY interesting. I can already think of a few that I hated as a kid that seem great now.

LouReedRichards

January 22, 2014 at 3:07 pm

@ Fraser:

What a great charity! I’ve never heard of that organization. My wife is a Chaplain in Hospice, I’ll have to tell her about this.

That’s a great way to do something helpful with comics you no longer want.

Oh. Yeah. I had forgotten about the early ’90s for some reason. When Rob Liefeld did the Hawk and Dove mini and those later issues of New Mutants, I was in heaven. I thought he was the bees knees. By the launch of X-Force, the novelty had worn thin for me and my interest in the books dropped sharply.

I guess the same could be said for many of that era’s artists for me (McFarlane, Lee, Silvestri, Portacio). They brought a lot of flash to the books they were working on, but it was mostly just that. At least, that’s how I felt. (McFarlane did at least give Spider-Man a kind of flexibility that I thought added something to the character.)

@Fraser – I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought it’d be great for Cap to date a pink-haired criminal.

That was the problem for me, though. It WOULD be cool for Cap to date a pink-haired criminal. It is a lot less cool for Cap to start to date a pink-haired criminal and effectively wring all of the edge out of her by the time they’re fully together. Diamondback by the end of Gruenwald’s run was just bland.

@Brian – Yeah, you’re right. By the time they went on a real date, Diamondback *had* turned pretty bland. Now I’m getting all disappointed in my youth. Maybe I just liked Gruenwald Cap while Kieron Dwyer was on arts. I liked Ron Lim, but everything felt much more tamed with his style—and Diamondback most of all.

Agree on that Brian, unfortunately. But it was a fun for a good long while. And I liked the concept of the Serpent Society (super-villains unionize!) in general.
Lou, they auction off comics to raise hospice funds and yes, I figure they do much more good that way than going to Goodwill. My hat’s off to your wife, I know people who’ve worked hospice and that’s a rough gig.
Waid’s comment on the Liefeld run was one of my favorite smackdowns (“Every writer lives in fear that whoever replaces him will make everyone forget his work. I don’t think I had that problem.”)
Another problem with 100 Bullets was that the art made most of the young male characters look identical. By the end I couldn’t figure which Minuteman was which (and yes, T., you capture the dialog pretty accurately).
I agree that “a comic you used to think was crap and came to like” or however it was phrased would be interesting

Captain Haddock

January 22, 2014 at 3:55 pm

Amazing Spiderman from issue 110-150 was what I read when I was a kid in reprint form and I devoured it, but I just think it’s aged a little poorly. I also hadn’t read the Ditko/Romita/Lee issues when I first read the others, so after discovering those, later Spidey just seems so overwrought and Spidey himself just comes across as a constant loser. They’re not bad comics, per se, just comparatively so. The next 150 or so issues (up to “Lifetheft”) are just amazing thought.

Never enjoyed Cap before Ed Brubaker took over, even thought the Waid/Garney run was solid but not spectacular.

I liked Green Lantern Rebirth a little, but I just find it laughably cliche and cheesy though now. Character not badass enough? Punch Batman! Bonus: Have everyone talk about how badass that was!

Finally, Byrne’s FF, still good, just not as good 15 years after I first read it.

So whatever happened to Diamondback anyway? I haven’t seen her since the Gruenwald stories (and I haven’t read any past the very early ’90s). Has anyone else written anything with her since then?

As far as I’m aware, the character was never ruined– she just got toned down and blandified a bit. So she could be as great as ever if a decent writer gives her a chance. If done right, she could become Cap’s Black Cat.

Someone should definitely bring her back. It doesn’t even have to be in Captain America. She could probably work well in a lot of series.

Not to mention Azz’s other messed up issues with depicting race.

hahha. You can’t just drop this and leave it at that. Explain yourself

If you think 100 Bullets is about crime, you are reading it wrong.

@Captain Haddock –

Man, I disagree with your post on nearly every level.

Conway era Spidey was what got me into the series.

Didn’t care for Brubaker’s Cap.

Rebirth was awesome and it sold me on a character I never liked before that.

And Byrne’s FF is nearly the best comic ever made AFAIC.

A lot of Warren Ellis comics have become this unfortunately, especially those he’s done for Marvel. This is likely because I was severely underwhelmed by both Crooked Little Vein and Gun Machine, detective novels which swapped interesting research for compelling narrative developments, and sarcastic quips for complex characterization. If you replace “detective novel” with “superhero comic”, this could accurately describe something like Avengers: Endless Wartime or the Ultimate Galactus Trilogy.

I still hold Ellis comics like Planetary, Transmetropolitan, and Stormwatch in the highest esteem, likely because they read as though there was much more passion behind them. I had hoped that the novels would’ve been like that, but unfortunately, they felt even more like Ellis formula than his superhero output.

The DC crossover Millennium. I avidly followed this when it first came out, but now over 25 years latter it does not hold up very well. (who am I kidding it wasn’t very good to begin with, Sorry Steve Englehart)

Diamondback by the end of Gruenwald’s run was just bland.

Gruenwald seemed to recognize this near the end, when he had her a) kill her old enemy Snapdragon and b) get dosed with Super-Soldier Serum and start having fits of psychotic rage. It was definitely too little, too late (and rather misguided anyway).

For me, it’s a lot of David Michelinie comics. They were fun popcorn stuff when I was younger, and I’ll always love the first Armor Wars, but reading them now I see that the plotting is paper-thin when he’s not working with Bob Layton, the characters tend to have only one or two dimensions, and the dialogue tics are just insufferable. By the 1990s, it had become impossible for any Michelinie character to finish a sentence in one panel without little em-dashes to break it up across two panels so that it coincided with a punch or a zap-ray or something…or just so it could “stretch” as a weird effort to produce comic timing on the page.

The funny part is, his earlier work holds up better than his later work. His writing tics simply grew and grew over the course of his time at Marvel int he 1980s and 1990s until there’s was nothing left but tics. (See also: Chris Claremont. But bad Claremont comics were never lovable, and the good ones are still mostly or totally good.)

Used to read Ninja High School and the Archie version of Zen: Intergalatic Ninja was I was barely old enough to even be reading comics. Looking back the former is one of the worst comics of all time and the latter is somehow even worse. I think I only liked them because of the concepts, but the writing (and in the case of NHS also the art) were basement level in terms of “quality” (or lack thereof in this case). Also was reading the X books around that era and wow have those aged poorly.

Captain Haddock

January 22, 2014 at 7:04 pm

@Anonymous- That’s the beauty of the internet, people such as yourselves can be wrong and I can’t do anything about it ;)

Once again, I’m unsure what the question is asking. Do you mean an old comic that I loved, but looking back it sucked?

Or do you mean a comic I loved that has grown and changed into something I hate?

In the first case, it would be the Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans. I ate it up when it first came out, but looking back, it is over-blown, over-plotted, over-written nonsense.

In the second case, it would all superhero comics. Identity Crisis and Civil War were enough to make me throw up my hands and say, “Enough!”

I’ve sampled some here and there, but the nu52 and the “everything must be Avengers” turn at Marvel have just driven me farther and farther away.

@The Mutt –

I could go on all day about how much damage Civil War did to Marvel or how New 52 made DC unreadable, but that’s clearly not what the topic is about.

Phoenix: Endsong is that comic for me. I must have read and re-read that five times when I got it (the year X-Men 3 came out), and it was the first non-manga comic I’d ever read. It’s actually responsible (along with X-Men 3) for really peaking my interest in the X-Men enough to start reading comics. Well, actually, this all happened after years of having a passing interest in the X-Men for years thanks to two different cartoons, two good Singer films, and a 2005 X-Men handbook my brother got that I flipped through a lot. But it was this comic and the third movie that got me interested in the X-Men enough to start reading the comics.

I really liked Pak’s writing, and Greg Land’s “realistic” artwork made the comic read so much different than both the manga I’d been reading and the stereotypes I had about American comics, so I didn’t feel like a nerd while reading it (I was in middle school at the time, and I didn’t want to be labelled a nerd). I’ve also always been attracted to tragic characters, and this comic delivered in spades. Plus, it didn’t have too many characters I wasn’t familiar with from the cartoons and movies, and the few it did have I could look up in that handbook I mentioned.

Looking back now though, I have the same reaction to Greg Land’s “art” that people who grew up in the 90s have to old Liefeld comics. the story still holds up, for the most part (it was certainly a better Phoenix story than AvX) but the mini-series could have definitely benefited from nearly ANYBODY else doing the art.

I got nuthin’. Even though there’s plenty of stuff that hasn’t aged that well (a lot of Chris Claremont comes to mind), I could never dislike it. Rereading it I recall my childhood enthusiasm and enjoy it, at the very least, on a nostalgic level and forgive its flaws.

There are a couple of Rupert the Bear annuals that I read repeatedly as a child (1980s reprints of 1950s originals, I believe). I tried reading them with my children recently and just could not cope with how racist they are – and sexist, too. See also: Karate Sid from the Beano (although it’s possible to read that as a satire on white children who were desperate to be Bruce Lee), and those episodes of RoboHunter where lots of humour is generated from laughing at foreign pronunciation of English words. (I can’t deny those very bits made me laugh the hardest).

But I feel this isn’t quite on topic – everyone else has picked examples of comics they loved for the story/art and then decided were not all that. I guess I’d go With John Byrne’s Alpha Flight as my pick. I’m still charmed by his art and character design, but the stories themselves are schockingly dull.

I’m much less enamored of Gen13 than I was when I was 13.

The Arcudi/Frank stuff still holds up, though.

“If we’re counting comic strips then my two favorites as a kid (in fact they were probably my favorite comics PERIOD, strip or book, at that age) were Pogo and Calvin & Hobbes. Now I honestly can’t stand either. There’s no doubt that they were both among the most memorable comic strips of all time, but Pogo had NO direction and C&H was just chatter and Calvin’s “imaginary” sequences that were such a heavy focus of the strip grow tired very quickly.”

Anonymous, you have no soul.

@Matthew Johnson –

Naw, man. Too hipster.

I would say a lot of post-issue 200 X-Men, particularly the Australia/Inferno/Genosha stuff, falls into this category, except I knew when I was reading it a lot of it was maudlin dreck but I didn’t care. The cool stuff outweighed the stuff I didn’t care for. Re-reading it as an adult, I can barely find the cool stuff I liked and instead I’m overwhelmed by Claremont’s overwrought, cliche-ridden writing.

Dislike is probably too strong a word. I don’t know of anything I loved that I now thinks sucks, (or the opposite really). One that I thought was awesome at the time that doesn’t stand quite as high is Waid’s Captain America. I remember thinking that THIS is how Cap should be written, and then it got derailed by Heroes Reborn, and didn’t come back as strong after. But really before it wasn’t ALL that either, it was just different. Brubaker came on and made it take the next step, and did it better. Waid’s stories were good, but just not great anymore.

And I don’t agree with “Anonymous” on a lot, but I think Calvin and Hobbes does seems a little overrated in re-reading.He comes off as more obnoxious than cute. Where as Peanuts which go the reputation as dull seems to have more depth as you get older. Again, not bad at all, just overrated in hindsight in a Seinfeld kinda way.

I haven’t reread those Australia period X-Men but I’d suspect they’d fall in this category, even though I liked them back in the day.
I also wonder how I’d like some of those old sport comics in the style of Billy’s Boots or Hot Shot Hamish. They were fun when I was a kid, and with some luck I’d manage to get some nostalgia out of them still…

With music it would be easy. Manic Street Preachers’ Everything Must Go.

In comics I don’t think I actually dislike anything I used to love, because if nothing else I still have the memory of loving it.

Crisis on Infinite Earths is the best I’ve got.

“Hate” is way too strong a word though as I still have a great affection for it. I just can’t read that stilted dialogue any more.

Generation X. Loved those characters and that series back when I was a teen. Now I think the book was a bit sloppy.

Fourth Man, I just finished rereading Millenium (I’ve been working my way through GL and I’m up to that era) and I still like a lot of it. The Manhunter sleeper concept, the fast pace (by making it a weekly mini instead of monthly) plus the nostalgic factor of seeing Infinity Inc., Outsiders, etc.
That said, Englehart’s mystical babble about understanding the universe was extremely not good.

@M-Wolverine — Waid’s Captain America. I remember thinking that THIS is how Cap should be written

That is literally exactly what I thought when it first came out.

And I don’t agree with “Anonymous” on a lot, but I think Calvin and Hobbes does seems a little overrated in re-reading.He comes off as more obnoxious than cute. Where as Peanuts which go the reputation as dull seems to have more depth as you get older. Again, not bad at all, just overrated in hindsight in a Seinfeld kinda way.

Man, Peanuts is funny as fuck. Hands down the top gag-a-day strip of all time. Those early strips were legit some of the best comedy writing of the late 20th century.

Completely agreed on Calvin now seeming like an obnoxious little shit.

@Max — Generation X

Worst X book of all time. I’d rather read Liefeld’s entire X-Force and Austen’s entire X-Men back to back than read a single issue of the mutie book that shall not speak its name.

Grell’s Green Arrow

Punchmaster General

January 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm

While I wouldn’t say I dislike it, I’m no longer in awe of the Ellis and Millar runs of the Authority like I was when I was 15. I truly thought that they were my generation’s Watchmen, when they’re really a lot more like, I don’t know, my generation’s Elementals. Even still, it’s sad to see what they’ve been reduced to in the Nu52.

Like so many others, I can probably attribute this to age, but back in the early 90s, I loved-loved-loved pretty much everything with Adam Warlock. A year or two ago, I reread Infinity Gauntlet and started to make my way through the follow-up series (Warlock and Infinity Watch, as well as Infinity War/Crusade), and hot damn is it all awful. Warlock is practically insufferable during that period (though Starlin’s 70s stuff with him is great). I’m really not surprised in retrospect that the character has been mostly ignored for the past twenty years.

I’d have to say Don McGregor’s run on Black Panther from Jungle Action fits this slot for me. I revered this collaboration with (mostly) Billy Graham and Rich Buckler when I was younger (especially compared with the Jack Kirby Black Panther series that succeeded it – “The Black Musketeers?!?”). But upon rereading the Jungle Action series recently I was disappointed with what I felt was stilted, unrealistic dialogue that nonetheless was the focus of the presentation. T’Challa was made to be a fairly vulnerable and at times uncertain figure. The main villain of the piece – Erik Killmonger – stayed mostly off-camera for most of the run, but his return was anti-climactic. Perhaps it’s piling on a bit, but in retrospect I also find the “Monica Lynne as untrusted outsider” aspect to be predictable. I have to give the run respect for trying something different and being revolutionary, but I definitely expected to enjoy it more on my second go-around. Tastes change, though.

@Fraser

I did like it quite a bit when it came out, but now I think I would find all the religious overtones grating. Maybe I’ll have to dig it out and have another look. This was a tough category for me, I couldn’t completely disown anything mainly because of the nostalgia factor like @Danj said.

” While I wouldn’t say I dislike it, I’m no longer in awe of the Ellis and Millar runs of the Authority like I was when I was 15. I truly thought that they were my generation’s Watchmen, when they’re really a lot more like, I don’t know, my generation’s Elementals. Even still, it’s sad to see what they’ve been reduced to in the Nu52. ”

I’d go with “my generation’s Gen13″.

Fourth Man, nostalgia doesn’t usually have that much effect on me (and I should know, I reread my comics a lot) so I’m really surprised Millenium hit me that way. Probably because current DC Comics can’t even remotely arouse that much enthusiasm from me (this is, in fairness, separate from whether they’re good).
The religious/mystical stuff was definitely the worst part of Millenium.

I read Millennium when it came out and while I thought it was terrible even then, it would have redeemed itself a little bit if it had had the twist I was expecting – that the Manhunters were actually the good guys and the Guardians’ attempt to push forward evolution was a sinister plot akin the the Nazi super race.

@Neil Kapit — Authority = Gen13

WOW that is harsh.

Garfield. Remember when you are a kid and you loved it. Maybe I’m alone on that, but it really is abysmal.

While I don’t dislike Far Side, there are very few of the strips that made me laugh like they used to.

Mark Millar in general. I wouldn’t go as far as dislike his work (except Ultimate Avengers, which was as if he decided to write as the man all of his detractors say he is), but I think he is frustrating because I know he can do comics with interesting characters (Red Son is still good) but he insist on trying to be cool over characters I can be invested in. Rereading Kick-Ass, I see a lot of wasted potential on a great premise, a great artist and dialogue that hints that there’s a better I think it’s sort of like Jerry and Elaine talking about Newman on Seinfeld. “I think there’s more to him than meets the eye.” “No, there’s less.” And the worst part is that I don’t think there has to be.

Good call on Garfield.

I’m currently reading the big fancy hardcovers of 100 Bullets, so thanks for the spoilers about the drop in quality… :p

I’m almost finished with Book 4. I enjoyed the first two volumes a lot, but I find it’s been meandering a lot since with pointless characters and extended arcs that add nothing to the overall storyline.
And I have to agree about some of the ‘racial’ stuff being terribly written at times.

I used to love Millar’s 300 comic, but now I can’t stand it.

@Jay –

You mean Miller?

Marvel’s “Wolfpack”……ugh

Probably Savage Dragon. I’ll concede the stuff Larsen is doing right now is certainly better, but yeah, early Image sucked you in with the pin-up style artwork and I guess it appealed to the part of me that grew up on Ninja Turtles.

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