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Comic Book Legends Revealed #462

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Welcome to the four hundred and sixty-second in a series of examinations of comic book legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous four hundred and sixty-one. This week, did Bruce Lee refuse to lose to Burt Ward when Kato fought Robin in an episode of the Batman TV series? Did Dave Cockrum have a racy protest about Ms. Marvel’s costume? And did a Donald Duck cartoon get nominated for an Academy Award…for Best Documentary?!

Let’s begin!

WARNING: As noted by me saying “racy,” there is a NSFW image in this piece.

NOTE: The column is on three pages, a page for each legend. There’s a little “next” button on the top of the page and the bottom of the page to take you to the next page (and you can navigate between each page by just clicking on the little 1, 2 and 3 on the top and the bottom, as well).

COMIC LEGEND: Bruce Lee refused to film a scene where Kato lost a fight to Robin.

STATUS: I’m Going With False

Bruce Lee was a legendary martial artist and action star who sadly did not become a major sensation in the United States until after his tragic death at the age of 32 in 1973.

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Lee’s first big acting break, though, came in 1966 when he was cast as Kato in the Green Hornet TV series (with Van Williams as the Green Hornet) that was designed to cash in on the success of the ultra-popular Batman TV series of the same year.

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The difference between the two series, though, was that Green Hornet was handled a good deal more seriously than the campy Batman series (of course, as some commentators might will note, that might have been due to the source material for each show – Batman comics of the 1960s tended to be a good deal more campy than a typical Green Hornet radio drama).

In any event, the ratings on the series were not particularly great and towards the end of the first season of the Green Hornet, Williams and Lee made a guest appearance on two episodes of Batman during the second season of the Batman TV series, “A Piece of the Action” and “Batman’s Satisfaction” (they also made a quick cameo in another episode).

In it, the Dynamic Duo tangles with the Green Hornet and Kato…

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Check it out (it starts at about the four and a half minute mark in the video)…

The legend is that Kato was originally written as losing to Robin in the initial fight but Bruce Lee threatened to not film the episode at all unless it was changed. They then changed it to a draw.

I have a couple of problems with the story right off of the bat (pun not intended)…

First, it just doesn’t make any sense that the writers of the Batman TV series (the episode was specifically written by Charles Hoffman) would have a guest star LOSE a fight to Robin. The whole point of promoting another TV series is to promote that other series, not show them losing to your characters. The intent is to prop them up, not knock them down.

Secondly, while Bruce Lee was not really a fan of the Green Hornet TV series (he kept trying to pitch his own scripts since he felt what they were doing was not particularly good), he was extremely respectful about his criticisms. I’ve seen some of his letters to William Dozier, the creator of the show, and he’s very courteous to Dozier. Lee was thrilled to be acting professionally and making such a good income. It was just not in his character to pull a move like threatening to walk off because he didn’t like a script. This isn’t to say that Lee didn’t have a temper, as he did. But he was a professional.

Lee and Burt Ward, who played Robin, were acquaintances before the show (they lived in the same condominium complex). Lee, in fact, had even given Ward at least one Kung Fu lesson in 1966. Ward, though, had sort of put it out there that he was a black belt in karate and it likely was true that Lee was a bit irked that Ward was misrepresenting his level of martial arts skill (In a 1968 interview with Black Belt magazine, Ward acknowledged that he began taking actual karate lessons in part because he was shamed by the fact that he pretended to be really good at karate because that’s what the producers of Batman wanted from him).

So what certainly seems to be agreed upon is that right before the filming of the close-ups in the fight scene (that’s another problem with the whole “Bruce Lee refuses to lose to Burt Ward” idea – the actual fight scenes, as you can see from the video above, didn’t feature Ward but his stunt double), Lee began acting really seriously as if he was really going to attack Ward. Ward began to freak out a bit, telling him to cut it out.

Lee later recalled (and since Lee died in 1973, his recollections are a lot more contemporary than other tellings of this story):

“I started to crowd Burt and he started to flap his elbows, jumping around me. I was really scaring him until I heard someone in the back whisper ‘the black panther and the yellow chicken.’ At that instant, I burst out laughing. I couldn’t keep a straight face anymore.”

Lee also commented on the fact that the fight was a draw. He laughed about it, noting:

“Lucky for Robin that it was not for real; otherwise, he would have been one dead bird.”

Adam West recalled the story the same way in his auto-biography. The only person I’ve seen to actually posit the “Bruce Lee was going to walk off” story was Van Williams, in a 1993 interview, twenty-seven years after the fact. Williams also told the “Bruce Lee tried to scare Burt Ward” story, as well. I think Williams is just mistaken.

I’ve never seen anything conclusive showing that the script was changed and in fact, pretty much every other account of the episode just says that it was always a draw. Lee didn’t mention it back in the day. West didn’t mention it in his auto-biography. Bruce Lee biographers don’t mention it. Plus, as I noted, it doesn’t make sense for them to have the guest-stars lose.

So I’m willing to go with a false here.

Thanks to M. Uyehara for the Bruce Lee quotes!
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On the next page, did Dave Cockrum have a racy protest over his complaints about Ms. Marvel’s costume? Again, note the term “racy” and remember what I said before about a NSFW image. In fact, you can just click on 3 and skip the Cockrum legend all together!

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No one could design a costume like Cockrum. He was a treasure.

Unless I missed it, you could have a WARNING: Might not be appropriate for work before the Ms. Marvel sesction.

Unless I missed it,

You did.

How logical, Robot! Bruce Lee knew manners. Moreover, memories grow either hazy or scratchy as time passes by.

Nicole, wouldn’t it make sense that the ENTIRE site is not work appropriate? Although, I do agree that a warning should have been in place, as my children were near at the time of me looking at this…

The warning should be on the actual Ms. Marvel page too. I was looking for a racy picture in the Bruce Lee story.

I think I’ve seen that “The New Spirit” cartoon. Did it feature images of the Nazis taking over America?

Man,, I remember when I first saw the original Ms. Marvel costume. How the heck did they even get away with something like that in the ’70s. Not even Wonder Woman exposed her belly in those days (iirc).

Yeah, the original Ms Marvel oufit was really tacky. Cockrum’s version, while still quite sexy (cf Stan Lee’s comment) was much superior in terms of design. Of course, one can’t blame Cockrum for the fact that some subsequent artists decided to amp the sleaze factor and draw the bottom of Ms Marvel’s outfit as a thong…

It is kind of funny that we’re talking all about changing her costume with some nods toward feminism mentioned, because that’s a fairly sexist outfit still, especially as Cockrum draws its first appearance here. Of course, these are comic books.

@trajan23 – Well, starting in the ’90s (maybe a bit in the ’80s) nearly every superheroine with bikini-style bottoms for a costume ended up in a thong. They especially liked having them turned to the side so they look bottomless, instead.

Oh man, I’ve totally seen that Donald Duck cartoon, when a local cinema put together a night of old cartoons that have fallen out of fashion for one reason or another.

The thing I remember most about it was the repeated refrain to “pay your taxes to beat the Axis.”

In regards to later artists and female costumes; it seems like so many had very little formal art training, outside of copying comic books. Back in the 90s, it was put out, and I believe some artists admitted to it, that they used magazine photo layouts for a lot of the women, especially swimsuit and similar magazines. if you look at a lot of the poses in the comics, they mirror those of a typical swimsuit layout. Cockrum, at least, came from a more rounded background, which you see more in the guys who broke in before the 80s (but not everyone). Heck, if you look at some of their male figures, it looks like they are using bodybuilder magazines for reference. A good portion of them couldn’t draw a male or a female character in everyday clothing.

Ethan Shuser:”@trajan23 – Well, starting in the ’90s (maybe a bit in the ’80s) nearly every superheroine with bikini-style bottoms for a costume ended up in a thong. They especially liked having them turned to the side so they look bottomless, instead.”

Don’t remind me. That was definitely a low-point in comic book depictions of women. Deodato’s Wonder Woman was a particularly egregious example. Again, though, it makes you have more respect for Cockrum’s rendition of Ms Marvel, which managed to be sexy and relatively tasteful.

Jeff Nettleton:”Back in the 90s, it was put out, and I believe some artists admitted to it, that they used magazine photo layouts for a lot of the women, especially swimsuit and similar magazines. if you look at a lot of the poses in the comics, they mirror those of a typical swimsuit layout. Cockrum, at least, came from a more rounded background, which you see more in the guys who broke in before the 80s (but not everyone).”

Yeah, lack of knowledge of basic human anatomy was a real problem with a lot of the artists who emerged in the ’90s. For example ( keeping the perspective on women), one might note that a lot of ’90s artists apparently had no idea what real breasts looked like. Hence, one got the impression that most super-heroines in the ’90s had silicone implants.

great stuff as usual, mister cronin!

@Ethan: It was no more “sexist” than a number of women’s one-piece bathing suits in the 1970s.

Actually Ms. Marvel’s first costume isn’t much more revealing than Saturn Girl’s bathing-suit look. So I doubt it was a huge issue she was showing that much skin.

Kato would have obliterated both Batman and Robin, but let’s face it, that was the only real way they could end that episode. And I say bring back the Cockrum designed Carol Danvers costume.

“(of course, as some commentators might will note, that might have been due to the source material for each show – Batman comics of the 1960s tended to be a good deal more campy than a typical Green Hornet radio drama).”

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw a mention of the Batman TV show in the intro. I was a little surprised ___ had not struck yet.

@Brian- fair enough, though a little bit of bold font would help in the future

I’m not sure I can properly understand all this stuff about the Batman TV show without knowing what some guy said about it on a message board once.

Duckumentary.

@ Ethan Shuster:

I am not sure that I buy the Cockrum take on Ms. Marvel as inherently sexist.

There are three basic types of female superhero outfits: the bathing suit, the cheerleader and the unitard (or catsuit). There are better and worse versions and interpretations of each type. Some folks will argue that the unitard is the only type that isn’t sexist, but compare the more objectified images of Black Widow or Catwoman to with Kurt Schaffenberger’s Supergirl or Phil Jimenez’s Wonder Woman.

The Cockrum version of Ms. Marvel a basic bathing suit design with the standard design elements Cockum added to female superhero costuming: a sash, thigh-high boots and opera gloves. His great Phoenix design was basically the same elements in gold with a green unitard base. I am not sure that anyone would call that costume sexist.

I don’t care if I’m politically incorrect or whatever – I prefer the original Ms Marvel costume with the mid riff. Thinking the black leather, dominatrix outfit is more acceptable is laughable. My understanding is that the mid riff was reflective of the “tied-up shirt” style many fit, healthy, good looking young women were wearing back then (most commonly demonstrated by Daisy in Dukes of Hazard.) I certainly remember a lot of them. Seems curious the main complaint came from a middle-aged male. Particularly the one who also designed Storm’s costume.

re: the ‘bruce lee/burt ward’ bat-fight: cinefantastique quoted robin’s stunt double and co-stunt coordinator with hubie kearns, batman’s stunt double) victor paul who in ’94 had said that (i’m not going to run the exact quotes here), that 1.) batman and robin didn’t want to lose, bruce lee said: ‘nobody beats me’ and that a producer (unnamed) finally decide that it was a ‘Mexican standoff….nobody wins.” he(paul) also stated that if lee were to nail him during the fight;”i’ll come back with a chair on you’, stating that bruce was used to making contact “and that wasn’t right’. so take that for what you will….since it would’ve been improbable that burt would’ve done this fight for the show in the first place.

Flubba!

now that’s a sound effect

(of course, as some commentators might will note, that might have been due to the source material for each show – Batman comics of the 1960s tended to be a good deal more campy than a typical Green Hornet radio drama).

Do a Goodsearch for Count Karnstein and Adam West.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/search/topic/topic/14587

Count Karnstein wrote :“To be totally clear, the last truly great, truly faithful superhero movie was Batman (1966)”.

More from Count Karnstein: It [the 1966 film and TV series] unashamedly, unapologetically put the real Batman on the big screen and said “This is Batman as he is in the comics. If you don’t like it, tough [expletive].”

Writing in 2008, Karnstein pointed out that for decades, the Dynamic Duo”s tales “had giant pennies and stuffed dinosaurs, was wearing caveman, zebra, and rainbow costumes, teamed up with Bat-Mite, split in two, melded with Superman, fought a living #2 pencil, drowned in giant gravy boats and menaced by giant sized water pistols, tennis rackets, and all sorts of insane absurdities long before the Batman movie or tv show were released….Dozier was bringing the characters to the screen in the manner in which they had been portrayed in the comics. Was there ever a silly, absurd, ridiculous Green Hornet comic book? If so, it’s escaped my attention for the better part of 40 years. Did we ever see a Caveman Green Hornet or a Green Hornet in a rainbox/zebra/dayglo red suit? Did we ever see Green Hornet being drowned in a giant gravy boat or being chased by aliens and dinosaurs? Was there ever an Ace the Green Hornet Dog? How about a Hornet-Mite?

No? I didn’t think so. There’s your answer. It’s literally that simple. Dozier was taking characters and putting them on the screen. Green Hornet was always played straight and serious in the comics/strips/radio, so he was done that way for tv. Batman was as absurd, silly, goofy, and ridiculous as anything else that has ever appeared in comics, and so that’s how he appeared on-screen”.

Up until about 1989, Robin(s) wore pixie boots with bare legs and golden cape. Also, the Dynamic Duo often made appearances at public functions.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/50626/Batman-1966-on-DVDBluray-Finally?page=5#.UuMqxNHnZjo
I went through some scans from the late 50?s early 60?s last night…but the choices of what to post to illustrate my point were overwhelming.

Were they straight adaptations? No (although apparently DC just put out a trade of full of stories that were adapted for episodes)- but the tone of what I saw was entirely consistent with the tone of the show. That is, when it wasn’t 100x sillier. Batman is constantly being seen in public, in daylight, accepted as if he were just another high profile public figure. This is where a HUGE part of that ‘camp’ aspect of the show comes from.

OK here we go…material taken from ten issues at random in the years during or preceding the TV show

Here’s a very typical scenario- Batman meets an alien from outer space…for an added bonus we have campy, the Schumacher beloved Bat-skates as well.

and one more for good measure- Batman & Robin pop in on a pool party in mid-day during the course of an investigation. Is the Bat-tusi sequence really any sillier than this would have looked if they’d done it in the show?

Well, I refer you to Count Karnstein’s comments and those of Max Allan Collins.

“There was a reason why that TV show was played for laughs and that is when you put actual human beings in those costumes and act out those stories, it looks stupid”, per Max Allan Collins.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?428475-Is-Warner-Bros-Embarrassed-by-Superhero-Tropes/page5 has Count Karnstein quotes and citations.

The Cockrum designed Ms. Marvel costume may be my favorite female costume ever. Along with the 1970s Black Widow one. Just great.

Look, Cockrum’s costume might have been a step-up from what came before it, but the only genuinely non-sexist comic book uniform I have ever seen on a female character was Frank Quitely’s Jean Grey in Grant Morisson’s New X-Men. No skirts, no bikinis, no high heels; just practical leather and kevlar, with a slightly sexy twist.

That Dave Cockrum sketch and anecdote were brilliantly funny. He was so brilliantly creative and had such a wacky, irreverent sense of humor. I still miss him.

I imagine the main issue with redesigning Carol from the red/blue into the black wasn’t so much a coverage issue as much as, like mentioned, a feminism issue: even with the stomach covered, that was still just a distaff version of Mar-Vell’s costume rather than a unique costume of Carol’s own. The new outfit, like many of Cockrum’s designs, was something wholly unique across comics and pretty groundbreaking in design.

(BTW, the single best part of this wek’s column? Imagining Stan Lee in my head saying “That’s what I like: Shiny leather and tits & ass!”…)

re: the ‘bruce lee/burt ward’ bat-fight: cinefantastique quoted robin’s stunt double and co-stunt coordinator with hubie kearns, batman’s stunt double) victor paul who in ’94 had said that (i’m not going to run the exact quotes here), that 1.) batman and robin didn’t want to lose, bruce lee said: ‘nobody beats me’ and that a producer (unnamed) finally decide that it was a ‘Mexican standoff….nobody wins.” he(paul) also stated that if lee were to nail him during the fight;”i’ll come back with a chair on you’, stating that bruce was used to making contact “and that wasn’t right’. so take that for what you will….since it would’ve been improbable that burt would’ve done this fight for the show in the first place.

Now that generally makes sense to me. I can see some requests from the actors BEFORE the script was written, just not that they had a script and changed it after the fact after a Lee protest.

I imagine the main issue with redesigning Carol from the red/blue into the black wasn’t so much a coverage issue as much as, like mentioned, a feminism issue: even with the stomach covered, that was still just a distaff version of Mar-Vell’s costume rather than a unique costume of Carol’s own. The new outfit, like many of Cockrum’s designs, was something wholly unique across comics and pretty groundbreaking in design.

I dunno, the Cockrum quote seems to indicate that the midriff thing was a major problem to him, doesn’t it? But sure, her just wearing a feminine version of the Captain Marvel costume WAS likely an issue.

(BTW, the single best part of this wek’s column? Imagining Stan Lee in my head saying “That’s what I like: Shiny leather and tits & ass!”…)

Right? Too funny.

Nu-D;”Look, Cockrum’s costume might have been a step-up from what came before it, but the only genuinely non-sexist comic book uniform I have ever seen on a female character was Frank Quitely’s Jean Grey in Grant Morisson’s New X-Men. No skirts, no bikinis, no high heels; just practical leather and kevlar, with a slightly sexy twist.”

i dunno; what about the classic Jack Kirby FF uniforms? Sue’s uniform was identical to Reed and Johnny’s. That seems pretty “non-sexist” to me.

I always read the lightning bolt as a letter “S”. When i first saw it I thought, “Oh I get it, she’s a Marvel version of Supergirl.” Just me?

I generally hate female costume designs. Yes, they are sexy, but they are even more impractical than a masked man beating up thugs while wearing a cape. Most of the designs just looks gross and exploitive.

To me, the most ridiculously sexist and exploitative costume for a mainstream comic heroine was the Supergirl costume of several years ago. I think that Jim Lee “designed” it. Basically, her entire belly was exposed and she was wearing a tiny, short skirt to add to the creepiness. DC took a 17 year old and long-established character and dressed her like a stripper. At least the current Supergirl costume is a lot closer to the classic design.

Timothy Markin

March 15, 2014 at 5:57 am

Regarding the actual adaptation aspect of the Batman TV show, there is one discrepancy in the Count Karnstein review: in 1964, Julius Schwartz took over editorship from Jack. Schiff so as to lose the aliens and Batmite and zebra Batman and all that 50s silliness and revert Batman back to his roots. This was to save Batman from cancellation. They did bring realism back to the character to a degree but after reading the 1964 and 1965 Batman and Detective issues, I saw there was still quite a bit of campy writing. We can agree that those comics were somewhat corny but the comics that William Dozier used as a template for the show didn’t include the giant typewriters and other Bill Finger tropes. (However, the giant penny from “The Penny Plunderers” in Worlds Finest #30 did hang around the Bat cave for many years, even after Denny O’Neil and Frank Robbins brought The Batman back to his pulp roots after the show’s cancellation.)

Female superhero costumes are very difficult to create. Cockrum’s design, good as it is, would still never fly in the big screen or in real life. It looks like something a Playboy Bunny might wear.

And yes, it is still not so bad when compared to the bare-midriff and skirt Supergirl costume that keeps making me wonder why Supergirl would dress like a street hooker. Or Wonder Woman’s costume, that is as exploitative as it gets (it alone is plenty reason enough for a movie Wonder Woman to fail to materialize).

I’d say a number of Kirby’s female costumes, like Sue Storm’s or Jean Grey’s (and thus Kitty Pride’s original) were non-sexist, but it’s almost beside the point, since those were not solo heroes but team members.

Anyone who thinks super heroine costumes are inherently sexist need to take a look outside and see what girls and young women are currently wearing on the street, running paths, and gymnasiums. It’s all mid-riffs, boob-tubes, mini-skirts, singlets etc. Then there’s all the spandex and leggings. Apart from office workers, who wear the old power suit, most young women hardly wear anything these days. Exploitative? Only a middle aged man might think so – maybe we should be asking the young women what they think instead of being a bunch of old farts.

This weeks edition certainly ranks among the best Legends Revealed. First, a convincing and compelling argument. Love the reasoning.

Second, a complicated story AND tits. Reminds me of my wife, who I love for both characteristics.

And third, well, such a delight to read a story and see a clip that I never knew existed. Both tickle my brain to no end.

Thanks Mr. Cronin!

“No one could design a costume like Cockrum. He was a treasure”

While I love Dave’s art, sometimes he was way off the mark when it came to costumes, especially during his run on Legion of Super Heroes.

Prime example – Cosmic Boy in a corset (as seen in this link: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5bcfpMCxb6I/ST4V1CtkY9I/AAAAAAAADfQ/TXosHz7IUf0/s400/CosmicBoy4.jpg)

Were the worst of those Legion costumes designed by Cockrum or Grell? I certainly remember the Cosmic Boy design, where they had to explain he was using his magnetic powers to hold it up.

As a one-time member of Interlac, I should remember this stuff. Oh well.

Dissident Fish

March 15, 2014 at 9:01 pm

@FuryofFirestorm — Cosmic Boy’s corset and that generation of Legion costumes were Mike Grell designs, not Dave Cockrum. Cockrum can claim the new X-men — and I’d put Nightcrawler and Phoenix up as among the best uniforms ever.

Comic-Reader Lad

March 16, 2014 at 5:37 am

As far as the Ms. Marvel costume is concerned, Marvel explained that they covered up the midriff because the color kept misregistering and the red was bleeding into the skin part. Not on the covers which were printed at a higher quality, but on the insides. I believe this was stated in the letter column around the time of the change, so it might not have had anything to do with Cockrum thinking the exposed midriff was sexist.

If you remember, he also redesigned a lot of the Legion costumes to make them more racy. Not the Cosmic Booy costume above, which was designed by Mike Grell (Grell’s costumes were equally racy for men and women. His Cosmic Boy, Colossal Boy, and Tyroc costumes, for example, showed more skin than usual for male characters. Not to mention his own creatiion, Warlord.).

If you look at Cockrum’s costumes for both Princess Projectra and Shadow Lass, both were redesigned to show off more skin and cleavage, so if he did object to Ms. Marvel, it does seem pretty disingenuous on his part.

Brian from Canada

March 16, 2014 at 2:33 pm

@Timothy:

While DC may have been pushing away from the campiness of the previous years, there’s still a close enough feel and sense of campiness in what remains that it truly felt like a contemporary adaptation of the comics. And, given the likelihood kids would have those comics from the year before, either from original purchase or garage sale, or from just being passed around, it would have felt the same.

Which is a huge difference from the Tim Burton Batman, which led DC to wanting to kill Bruce Wayne for the way it broke the newly established post-Crisis rules, or the Nolan Batman, which could not exist in a world where there were other superheroes.

And though Batman may have gone back to his “roots” (the original Finger ones have more campiness than often admitted), those ’66 episodes still resonate with fans today. The fact we have a comic of it is amazing — and the anticipation for the upcoming DVDs demonstrate that there are people who still love it. :-D

CRL, Princess Projectra’s backless original costume showed a lot of skin for the time (which the editors actually joked about in a letter column once).

@Pickles. It’s an interesting point. The way men and women dress is different. Women will wear a number of things that are similar to what superheroes wear. You won’t find very meny men dressing up in tights and briefs on the outside for much of anything. Maybe Olympic runners and swimmers come the closest, but even the difference between what men and women wear for gymnastics stands out. For the non-powered it would make more sense to dress more like the men and be more army gear protected, but if you’re already bullet proof, what’s the difference between tights or bare legs?

And it has changed over the years. I’ve gone to, lived, and worked on a college campus, and it used to be great when Spring would break and all the heavy jackets and sweaters went back into the closet. Nowadays even in the coldest weather women wear the tights that leave less to the imagination than the tightest jeans ever did. Nothing wrong with it, but it could be the foundation for any costume, and fashion and comfort are overriding proper fit for environment. (Young guys in northern cities have no idea how much better than have it than not so long ago).

This installment is not visible on the COMIC BOOK LEGENDS REVEALED ARCHIVES page. I’ve been checking it periodically since Friday. #461 is still the top story there.

The newest one is never in the archives. Only the old ones.

ParanoidObsessive

March 18, 2014 at 11:21 pm

It’s not the really archive page that’s the problem (the one with “history” in the URL, that your other site links to) – it’s the main category page (the one you go to when you click on the Comic Book Legends Revealed category button at the top of the article – they’re two different things).

I’ve been having the same problem for the last few weeks (I only just figured it out today).

Basically, the main category page used to update with the new article each week shortly after you posted it (which is why I had that page bookmarked). But far as I can tell, the problem is that the last few articles were posted under the “General” category instead of “Comic Book Legends Revealed” category.

Don’t know if this is a mistake or a new policy change, but it’s definitely different from how things have worked up to now.

Well, the complaint was specifically about the archive page, right?

But yes, it is true that the latest CBLR was not given a category by mistake. It has one now!

Of course it needs to be mentioned that the original Ms. Marvel Suit was mocked multiple times during the Dark Reign Era as Moonstone was wearing it as Norman’s Official Ms. Marvel.

I always thought that the sexist aspects of the costume came from the fact that being a “dolled up” derivative of CM’s suit it sent the message that Carol was both not her own hero but a second-rate knockoff of “a real MANly hero” but that between the mid-riff and the mini- skirt the eyes are constantly being drawn towards the *ahem* greater lap area.

Not saying the iconic unitard outfit is not sexist but I can see Claremont’s beef with it.

I appreciate your articles. However, since Donald Duck started as a theatrical animated cartoon property, does this legend merit inclusion? I remember when you did a special on the Green Hornet which did not actually broach any of the Green Hornet comic books. Zartan also came up once, and you admitted the ambiguity.

When did sex-y conflate with sex-ist..?

“I generally hate female costume designs. Yes, they are sexy, but they are even more impractical than a masked man beating up thugs while wearing a cape.”

Uh, yeah, exactly. ALL of these costumes are unrealistic. It’s fantasy. Why the bare midriff? For the same reason Iron Man’s armour never had any obvious joints, but rather seemed somehow flexible; because it looks cooler when drawn for a sci-fantasy adventure strip.
Someone mentioned ’70s Cosmic Boy. Why isn’t his costume sexist? And what in fact IS it then? And Hawkman?

And don’t get me started on “exploitative” or “objectifying”.
… Who is being exploited in this scenario? The fictional characters? They literally ARE objects, in the sense that they exist at all.

Oh, that Donald Duck cartoon is scary. It’s good (and interesting) to learn that he has officially adopted Della’s kids but it kinda makes me NOT want to pay taxes. They promise everlasting peace but we now know that there were more wars to follow.

Looking back, I was able to find that you put the NSFW warning on the first page of this one, but not a single NSFW warning appears on the entire actual page that has the NSFW Element. Might be a good idea to add such a warning for the future considering that the master-list for Comic Book Legends Revealed here http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/06/23/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-history/ links direct to the Ms. Marvel costume page. Meaning someone who wants to read about Ms. Marvel and Not Bruce Lee on Batman could easily skip past page one and be caught unawares.

It links directly to the Ms. Marvel costume page under the description “Dave Cockrum had a rather racy protest to Ms. Marvel’s original costume.” If you click on “Dave Cockrum had a rather racy protest to Ms. Marvel’s original costume.” and are shocked that Dave Cockrum’s rather racy protest to Ms. Marvel’s original costume is rather racy, then that’s on you.

WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!

if the title also said “That racy protest is an image he drew and I have included that racy image embedded here” I would agree with you.

As you didn’t, I don’t…

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