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DC/Marvel Tourney, Marvel Street Level, Round 2

The second round of voting begins now!

Simply choose which characters you think would win in a (non “to the death”) fight in the following match-up. The voting concludes 96 hours from right now!

Each competitor has, let’s say, a half hour to prepare (so it’s not like Mr. Fantastic just walking up to Captain American and punching him – Cap would be prepared), and can use whatever weaponry you figure would be typical for that character (so Deadpool can use whatever weapons you would expect him to normally use, but he can’t go get, I dunno, the Infinity Gauntlet, or whatever). A word on prep-time – this only means that they have time to prepare. They can’t affect the area where they will fight or anything like that. Or lay traps or whatever. They just have a half hour to get ready.



some of these battles were hard to call including the x-men ones. though deadpool would some how beat spidey by just using a gun and shooting web head. kitty would phase through nightcrawler before he could port. and wolverine no contest there the claws and provided he has his healing factor he would win.

Kitty over Nightcrawler, we might actually see this in the next few months.

Les Fontenelle

March 22, 2014 at 2:36 pm

I suspect we’ll have a lot of “Cap would beat Mr Fantastic by, umm, I’m sure he’ll figure out a way” in this thread.

Patrick Maloney

March 22, 2014 at 2:37 pm

Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, Mister Fantastic, Wolverine

Kitty vs Kurt would be tough – Nightcrawler’s teleporting and Kitty’s phasing would make it hard for them to touch each other ..my final decision is Kurt would gallantly concede (ever a ladies’ man)

Cap would beat Mr Fantastic by, umm, I’m sure he’ll figure out a way.

Spider-Man and Wolverine are easy winners.

For the other two I went for Nightcrawler and Captain America – but I think there was a modicum of wishful thinking in those votes. And you know Captain America would find a way.

Willie Everstop

March 22, 2014 at 4:34 pm

Cap would beat Mr Fantastic by umm, hitting him in his rubber face repeatedly and tying him to a subway.

Cap would beat Mr. Fantastic by making a rousing speech, then clobbering Reed while he wipes the tears from his eyes.

It’s the half hour prep time that makes the difference.

CAP – It’s time for our fight, Reed. I’ve been in the gym, limbering up.

REED – I’ve been thinking.

Mr Fantastic for the win.

Iron Fist and Wolverine have fought in the comics way back in the late ’70s. It was in “Iron Fist” #15 (Just before “Power Man and Iron Fist” became a series.) Fist punched Logan out of the apartment building.

I think this tournament and the surrounding discussion is again highlighting the differences between what a character should be able to do with his/her established power set and how it would actually be written due to fan/creator love.

Spider-Man and Wolverine both probably should and would win.

Kitty should probably beat Nightcrawler, but it would be a toss-up in the books.

Mr. Fantastic should easily beat Captain America, but it would almost never actually go that way.

Given 30 minutes prep time, not even Batman could beat Reed.

I vote Cap to beat Reed, but Reed’s such a dick, he’d probably zap Cap with sum-in’ and wipe his memory and tell Cap that Cap actually lost. Dick.

Spider-Man over Deadpool These are characters that are very close in terms of power. Spidey is faster and stronger. Deadpool can absorb much, much more damage. The difference is mental. Deadpool is highly disorganized thinker and Spidey is capable of being very strategic. Short-term, being unpredictable is an advantage. However, Spidey is able to extend the fight and find a vulnerability.

Kitty Pryde over Nightcrawler Nightcrawler has a clear edge in terms of abilities. He can move in and out of striking range at will. He can hide. He is probably a bit stronger. Kitty is primarily defensively powered and Nightcrawler’s natural abilities negate her ninja skills. The thing is that Kurt Wagner is really a fighter at heart and he is not strong enough to knock Kitty out in one punch. I just don’t see him teleporting around Kitty and beating her senseless. It could go either way, but that hesitation probably gives the better trained Kitty an edge as she can extend the fight until Kurt makes a mistake.

Mister Fantastic over Captain America I am assuming that this is happening in the Marvel U. The laws of that universe pretty clearly indicate that Reed Richards can devise any gadget in a half hour. Steve Rogers has chemical-based powers. This is over faster than you can say “Super-Solider serum antidote”.

Wolverine over Iron Fist Iron Fist is a more skilled martial artist, so he can certainly extend the fight and find a weakness. The problem is that none are apparent. The healing factor means that Danny Rand can’t wear Wolverine down by working the body. The adamantium skeleton means that he can’t break bones. Trying the concuss him into unconsciousness is the best option, but his skull is harder than Iron. With his claws, Wolverine only has to get lucky once.

Thing is, Iron Fist has been seen to beat Wolverine and Sabretooth in solo contests in the last couple issues of his 1970s solo series. And he’s gotten more powerful since then with all his newer chi manipulation tricks.


March 23, 2014 at 2:56 pm

Cap vs. Reed is the very definition of a “Sophie’s Choice” for me.

My two favorite heroes in battle against each other.

Reed takes it in the end… wait that doesn’t sound quite right.

awww hell, Joe Cavanaugh, Terrible-d and Dean said it better than I could have.

Spider-Man beats Deadpool. Obviously.

Kitty vs. Kurt is an interesting one. They both have fairly similar styles of fighting – hit-and-run. They’re both pretty impossible to touch if they don’t want to be. They’re both actually very good at stealth. But Kitty has an advantage: She’s a genius. Kurt spends the half-hour before the fight getting in some practice. Kitty spends it preparing a way to disrupt his teleportation. She’s smart enough to build a device. Kurt’s not. Kitty wins.

Mr. Fantastic, logically, beats Captain America. Even aside from being able to whip up some gadget, it’s hard to beat a guy who can drape himself over you and suffocate you.

Iron Fist beats Wolverine, because Wolverine’s a dick and I will never vote for him to beat anyone.

C’mon, guys. Reed is a scientist. Cap is a warrior. Cap would win this because he always wins this sort of thing; beating unbeatable odds is kind of his thing. And Reed is hardly unbeatable. He’s been beaten plenty of times.

People who see Kitty mostly as “defensive” should remember that she has all those awesome ninja fighting skills she learned from Ogun in the Kitty Pryde & Wolverine mini. Though to be honest, most writers seem to forget that too…

Toumas, now that you mention it… A character is only as good as her/his writer. I would love to see John Byrne 80’s Hulk vs Peter David’s Hulk.

I think it is very odd that people think Mr. Fantastic is good at… anything.

Spider-Man… easily

Kitty… not so easily

Cap… easily

Wolvie… easily

Captain Librarian

March 25, 2014 at 1:19 pm

Hmm, let me try to think of a scenario where Cap wins.

Reed spends 30 minutes building a device that temporarily removes Cap’s powers. Cap leads him into a string of abandoned buildings which he has set well placed explosives, dropping enough debris for a KO. Strategic planning trumps book smarts in this setting.

Possible, or wishful thinking? I generally agree that Reed’s absurd ability to make crazy devices and stretching powers is a tremendous problem, but I think people underestimate Steve’s strategic mind. While Reed’s been in plenty of fights, Cap is a field general on whole other level. I’m going to say Cap wins.

Has Peter ever been shot? Aside from the Ultimate version. I know he’s been shot AT, but have any landed and done serious damage? I don’t know, I’m sure some can elaborate. I don’t think Deadpool stands a chance, especially giving Peter 30 minutes to do one thing: plan how to win.

“Street level”?? If you can survive an atomic blast, you’re not street level. Just sayin…

Yes, Peter’s been shot. Often, actually. Sometimes just flesh wounds, sometimes pretty serious.

Wow – the hardest bracket yet!

I think healing factor and a willingness to go lethal (rules by damned) give Wade a narrow edge.

Kurt can’t teleport unless he knows where he will materialize. Kitty, with prep time, phases her and kurt through solid matter into an underground cavern where he does not know which way is up. Kurt taps out.

As Joe Cavanaugh said, paraphrasing from Grant Morrison’s FOUR, are there any more unsettling words in the Marvel Universe than Reed saying “Well, Victor, I’ve been thinking.” Stretcho for the win.

Logan is over-rated, when going up against a premier martial artist with a longer reach and a fist of iron.

I don’t see how Cap and Nightcrawler could lose. Of course, I don’t know how Beast could have lost to Kitty in the first round, either…he had brains, brawn, and agility over her…all she could do is run away and hope he didn’t find her. Nightcrawler is a much better fighter than her, a tactician better than most (with only Captain America and Cyclops being better out of this group), and so agile Kitty could never touch him even if she somehow got close to him (which would be required for her power to have any affect on him) and she has to unphase at some point to take a breath. If she’s hiding and phasing, she still has to move at the speed of walking, whereas he can be anywhere within his own line of sight in less than a second and he can crawl o walls. Nightcrawler just teleports around, hiding in shadows, waiting for her to take a breath, then he bamfs in and it’s over with one or two punches.

All the people claiming Reed could whip up some miracle “cure for super-soldierism” in a half hour? Righht. I think it might be a much closer fight than Nightcrawler and Kitty, but I also think it could just as easily be over with a quick shield toss that can bounce in and KO Reed before he gets a chance to go wobbly. Smartest man in a lab vs. smartest man on the field of combat when they’re in a field of combat? No question.

Yeah, a cure for “super-soldier-ism” in half an hour? He hasn’t been able to come up with a cure for “Thing-ism” in 50 years….

Mr. Fantastic can come up with great ideas, but he almost always needs his team to help execute his plans. Cap doesn’t need anybody, and takes on genius bad guys with more power than Reed.

I hope everyone voting for Richards is voting for Doom to take the whole thing, since he’s as smart and a better inventor and has better “powers” and regularly takes on Reed and the rest of the FF by himself. If Reed wins this fight, Dr. Doom wins the whole thing.

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