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Foundationed Deep – Wolverine and Carol Danvers

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This is the latest in a series (of indefinite length and regularity) of pieces looking at particular odd/strange/interesting instances of retroactively connecting different comic book characters (for instance, Uncanny X-Men #268 retroactively established that Wolverine knew both Captain America and the Black Widow from World War II). Here is an archive of all of the past pieces.

Today is the first of a two-part look at some of Wolverine’s early espionage connections.

As covered in an edition of Meta-Messages, Chris Claremont brought Carol Danvers to the X-Mansion in Avengers Annual #10 following her messed up farewell from the Avengers.

So she was living with the X-Men for a few months before, out of nowhere, in Uncanny X-Men #154, we learn that Carol and Wolverine know each other!

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A couple of years later, in Marvel Fanfare #24, Claremont then wrote an “untold tale” set after Uncanny X-Men #167 to explain after the fact how Carol left – she sort of leaves off-panel. Here, they go from knowing each other a bit and working with each other in the past to being practically soulmates…

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When he was hallucinating after being crucified by the Reavers, Carol was one of his hallucinations.

Larry Hama Howard Mackie did a nice graphic novel in 1996 with Carol and Logan back in their earlier days together.

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If YOU have a suggestion for this column, drop me a line at bcronin@comicbookresources.com

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To be fair, Carol didn’t exactly leave off panel- she got mad at Xavier for accepting Rogue in X-Men 171 and she told Scott and Maddie she was leaving with the Starjammers in X-Men 174.
That graphic novel confused the issue of how much older Carol is supposed to be than Angel- Carol seems to be at least a decade older than Warren in the Graphic Novel.

She leaves the X-Men in #171 and then in #174 we see her with the Starjammers, but we never see why she decided to leave Earth, so Claremont figured he’d fill that detail in in Marvel Fanfare (he also used it to let Carol know that the original Captain Marvel died).

What was the graphic novel that Larry Hama wrote with Carol Danvers? Is it still in print?

What was the graphic novel that Larry Hama wrote with Carol Danvers? Is it still in print?

Logan: shadow Society. It is long out of print, I’m afraid.

It’s stunning how “wordy” these pages appear to modern sensibilities. At the time I didn’t feel that was the case.

It’s stunning how “wordy” these pages are to modern sensibilities.

I remember there being a lot of history/backstory implied during the first Genosha storyline back in the Down Under days. Carol became the ascendant personality after Rogue was traumatized/assaulted, and she and Logan had a lot of back-and-forth about “the old days” as they were trying to escape…punctuated by a powerless Wolverine slowly succumbing to “adamantium poisoning” or something. Maybe that last bit is fodder for another column? :)

I do remember that they leaned into Carol’s military training since that was one of the only things in their favor at that point in the story.

Brian Cronin- Larry Hama didn’t write Logan: Shadow Society. Howard Mackie did. Mackie also wrote the previous Logan: Path of the Warlord graphic novel, as well.

Links:
Logan: Path of the Warlord- http://www.amazon.com/Logan-Path-Warlord-HOWARD-MACKIE/dp/B000OHLZC6/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402758733&sr=1-2&keywords=Logan+Howard+Mackie

Logan: Shadow Society- http://www.amazon.com/Logan-Shadow-Society-Howard-Mackie/dp/0785102949/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402758733&sr=1-1&keywords=Logan+Howard+Mackie

Great article, though. I always wondered if Bendis was just unaware of Carol and Wolvie’s history (as well as Wolverine’s deep history with Spider-Woman; she was a supporting cast member in the first 20 something issues of his first ongoing), or if he just didn’t care about it, when he started writing the Avengers books.

Seeing as how Logan and Carol are old war buddies (and possibly more) and he and Rogue have a pretty tight connection as well, Carol and Rogue’s ongoing heat with each other must put Wolvie in an extremely unenviable position at times!

Shadow Society is a fun little book, and easy to find in bargain bins, I see it all the time at cons.
Wasn’t it reprinted in one of the recent Wolverine Hama collections?

Shadow Society wasn’t written by Larry Hama. It’s credited to Howard Mackie and Mark Jason.

Shadow Society was also reprinted in the Panini UK title Wolverine Unleashed #38-9 back in 1999.

I want to support a comicbook series that is about the adventures of Binary and the Starjammers between October 1983 (Uncanny X-Men 174) and March 1992 (start of 19-part crossover Óperation: Galactic Storm).

I loved X-Men: The Hidden Years that ran for 22 issues. It revealed the adventures of Marvel Girl, Angel, Iceman, Beast, Polaris, Cyclops and Havok between Uncanny X-Men 66 from 1970 and Uncanny X-Men 94 from 1975.

I want to read about a hidden period of Carol Danvers’ history (1983-1992) when she was Binary (Please ask Chris Claremont to write it, PLEASE!).

I would also be very exited if marvel comics did Untold Tales of Ms. Marvel, like they once did 25 issues of Untold Tales of Spider-Man (Again, PLEASE ask Chris Claremont).

Michelle Spence

June 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm

http://marvel.wikia.com/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_182

In Claremont’s “X-Men” #182 Rogue rescues Rossi from SHIELD and transposes Carol Danver’s memories as her own, recounting adventures “she” (Carol/Rogue) Rossi and Wolverine had back in the day.

“Logan and Carol are old war buddies (and possibly more) and he and Rogue have a pretty tight connection as well”

It took awhile to build that tight connection. Initially Logan didn’t take to Rogue, or her being part of the X-men, for that very reason.

Wolverine accepts Rogue pretty quickly. He learns she joined in 172 and hates it. In 173, she sacrifices herself to save Logan and Mariko, only Wolverine giving her his healing factor saves her, and that’s pretty much it (then with Rogue risking herself to save Colussus in 179, that erases the rest of the teams…well Storm’s, lingering mistrust.)

In 174, Carol explains why she’s going with the Starjammers…the whole there’s no one left she cares about, Binary was born in space, and that’s where she’ll make her home.

I never realized the Binary costume had red parts. I always thought it was just the white parts over red-colored flesh.

@Scavenger,

Yes, Logan and the X-Men accept Rogue pretty quickly, but lingering doubts lasted a long time. I think it’s #244 where Rogue has a temper tantrum and starts to fly away shouting that they’ve never really accepted her. I also think that was pretty much dropped after CC left because my that time Rogue had earned everyone’s trust.

Kind of makes her reaction to Gambit in #350 seem hypocritical, no?

Was there any reason this (and the follow up) was published on Friday (Sat) and not saved the the slower part of the week? As it is there were 5 posts on Friday, but invariably there will be a day with only one or maybe two in the middle of the week. With the regular features they are on a timetable, but this “indefinite regularity” one could have been delayed. Is there more traffic/hits on the weekend for this site? Nothing at all wrong with it; just curious.

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