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The Line it is Drawn #195 – Fun With Time Travel!

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Welcome to our weekly gallery of amazing art by our great collection of artistic talent, all working from YOUR suggestions!

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Now on to the bit!

So every week, I ask a question here. You reply to it on our Twitter page (just write @csbg with your reply) and our blog sketch artists will each pick one of your suggestions and I will post them here every week. So every week you will have a new question and you will see the choices picked from the previous week. Here is an archive of all the previous editions of The Line It Is Drawn!

To qualify, you have to be following us when you reply – so go follow us and then give your answer to the following question/challenge (All suggestions due by 3pm Pacific Friday).

The topic is…

Team-up or mash-up a comic character with a Walt Disney character.

Read on for the sketches that came about courtesy of the last question/challenge!

In honor of X-Men Days of Future Past, it’s time travel time! Take a current comic book character and send them back in time to prevent a notable event from the past of DC, Marvel, Image or whatever. Deadpool trying to save Gwen Stacy, that sort of thing.

Enjoy!

I’ll put them in alphabetical order based on the name of the Twitter user who made the suggestion.

All copyright and trademarks of the following characters are held by their respective owners! Click on any image to enlarge it!

B_Granderson suggested

ms. marvel (the new one) saves kyle rayner’s girlfriend from being fridged

Sean McFarland is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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B_Granderson suggested

the metal men form a net to save dick grayson’s parents

This one was drawn by Rachel Ordway. Here is her website.

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BigMike20X6 suggested

Hit-Girl stops The Burglar before he gets to the Parker home

This one was drawn by Fernando Pinto. Here is his website.

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BigMike20X6 suggested

DKR Batman goes back to stop Ozymandias’ plan

Axel Medellin drew this one. His website is here.

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CraigOxbrow and Moecah suggested

Red Skull tries to kill Cap while he’s frozen

Nick Perks is the artist for this one. Here is his website.

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JeffKeely suggested

The Power Rangers travel back in time to prevent Hal Jordan from wiping out the Green Lantern Corps.

This one was drawn by Mathieu Parent. Here is his website.

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p_keely suggested

Magneto goes back in time to prevent the Holocaust

Nelson Flores did the art for this one.

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p_keely suggested

Superman travels to the Image Universe to stop the raping of Invincible

This one was drawn by Uncle Woofie.

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therealAstrozac suggested

Batman in the Crusades

Cynthia “Thea” Sousa drew this one. Her website is here. If Amanda Rodgers could save time in a bottle, the first thing that she’d like to do is to save every day till eternity passes away just to spend them coloring art pieces. You can see an eternity of work from Amanda at her website here.

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therealAstrozac suggested

Mary Jane Watson goes back to save Gwen Stacy

Nick Perks is the artist for this one, also. Here is his website.

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therealAstrozac suggested

Lady Liberty goes back to the late 30s to warn Siegel and Shuster about keeping ownership of characters

Paul Hostetler did the art for this one. Here is his website.

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wrinklytimelord suggested

the Hulk goes back to the “Death Of Superman” to see if he could kick Doomsday’s butt

This one was drawn by Tsubasa Yozora. Here is his website.

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Great stuff, everyone!

Okay, people, get to Twitter and tweet us suggestions for next week!

50 Comments

As usual, these were all pretty darned fabulous. But the Batman one really cracked me up.

Anyone else feel that if One More Day had gone down as depicted in Nick Perks’ submission they’d have had far fewer problems with it?

That Mephisto and MJ piece was how One More Day should have went.

I don’t read Spiderman, and never read OMD, but my understanding is that everyone hates it except maybe Quesada himself. The above page looks like it would have been a good idea for an AoA-style, long-term alternate reality storyline; but nobody really wanted a true reboot of Spiderman to get rid of his marriage to MJ.

The Batman/Watchmen one was the funniest. The Mephisto/MJ one is, as others have noted, how OMD should have ended.

That Crusader Batman is actually really bad ass.

It’s a better ending to that story, sure, but I don’t see how to pull off the aftermath without rebooting the entire Marvel Universe, which obviously wasn’t on the table.

(Maybe Gwen and Peter break up soon after, things proceed almost identically up to right before the wedding, where Gwen re-enters Peter’s life and prevents it from happening? In broad strokes that works, but the death of Green Goblin works poorly in a Gwen survives timeline [and he has to disappear for 30 years worth of stories still], and the original clone saga completely falls apart with a live Gwen. And if time-travelling MJ takes Gwen directly from her death scene to just before the wedding, I can’t see Peter not sticking with MJ anyhow.)

Herb Clerecidge

June 20, 2014 at 8:38 am

The Holocaust one kind of creeped me out a little.

Something tells me that a metal net wouldn’t be the best way to save someone falling from a great height.

Normal metal, yes, but the Metal Men have unique properties.

I think the Metal Men saving the Graysons was my favorite just for the insert “Batman in: Why am I so Lonely?”

Why on earth does Lady Liberty look like Alan Moore?

Why is Mephisto annoyed that MJ chose to save Gwen? Didn’t he want to prevent the Peter/MJ coupling so as to erase the existence of their daughter, who would go on to become the greatest superhero in the world? It’s still a great piece and scenario but I want to know Nick’s reasoning for the devil’s scorn over MJ’s choice.

Presumably the devil wants and expects people to make the selfish choice in all situations, Ev.

I was REALLY expecting some thought balloon in the Mary Jane one like:

“So, in a few years, she can have HER marriage to Peter get retconned out of existence… Bitch!”

Does that make me a bad person?

Cynthia did some amazing work this week, though I think my favourite might be the metal men. Poor Batman.

@Jeff R. : And yet he was pleased when Peter and MJ dissolved their marriage and future together to save Aunt May. It’s still the Past vs. Future dilemma presented here, with the same side being favoured as in OMD. Yet Mephisto’s reactions are polar opposites in both scenarios.

I’m not certain that calling Eisner wouln’t have helped. he ran a work for hire studio.

I’m not certain that calling Eisner would have helped. he ran a work for hire studio.

Mephisto wants people to damn themselves. MJ, by choosing to let Gwen die, would have damned herself.

His stated reason for wanting Peter and MJ to be unmarried would be that it would remove a great love from the universe, which would tick off God. Which raises a lot of thorny theological questions that Quesada was only too happy to ignore in favor of stories about Peter speed dating and having a crazy roommate.

Loved the Red Skull/Cap one, by the way. That is so what would happen.

The big thing about the devil’s bargains is that he usually tries to spin it so that if you accept his “gifts” you end up getting screwed through a twist anyway. So I would imagine after MJ walks through the portal and saves Gwen, as a result of Gwen getting warned and not kidnapped, the Goblin is forced to try another plan which ends up succeeding in killing Peter. So she ends up saving Gwen only to have Peter die as a result. Or something else that screws things up more than if she didn’t take his offer at all.

I like all of these, but “Batman: Why Am I So Lonely?” is probably my favorite little touch.

One thing which has always driven me nuts about OMD is that an issue from just before it, by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, has PETER MEETING GOD AND TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT AUNT MAY DYING SITUATION. You’d think that (1) that would kind of be something which would affect the Mephisto story and (2) honestly, a less painful solution to things than the Mephisto story (… actually, all kinds of things would be a less painful solution than that, but “how the marriage could have been retconned out without resorting to deals with the devil” has been run into the ground ever since OMD).

I will say that from the OMD sequel story it looks like Mephisto kind of eliminated his own deal from the timeline, or so it looked to me when I read it.

Also, I think enough time has passed that the whole thing need never be referred to again in a Marvel comic, and I’m happy with the current Peter Parker stories, so while I enjoy the married stories, I still have those and the whole Spider-Girl series, where they stayed married and lived happily ever after, so I no longer angst about it. :)

@Ev – ‘Michael P’ has it. Something about MJ and Peter just rankles Mephisto… if he could only get one of them to do do something ignoble, or even just hold back from taking the noble course. But no, as anyone but Mephisto would have expected, MJ does the right thing, at the cost of her own happiness. He just can’t catch a break that guy.

As to what happens after MJ saves Gwen… Well, that REALLY pisses off Mephisto. What a loser.

Ahh, Spider-Girl. Yes.
Regarding OMD, JMS said that his original plan did retcon out Gwen’s death. IIRC, the turning point was that Peter reacts faster to Harry’s drug problems, so they never become as bad which resulted in a domino effect (I don’t remember the details). But Quesada flatly ruled out that many changes to the MU, so he went with Mephisto and hand-waved any discontinuities as Mephisto Made It That Way.

Now I’m wondering how bad the discontinuities would have to be. Just assume the Harry situation consumes Norman’s mind and his Goblin persona stays buried until you need it to not be buried. Then he’s still off the board.
Regarding Mephisto’s motives, I think he’s horrified because MJ’s selflessness neutralizes him. If she’d let Gwen die it would rack her and haunt her marriage (would Peter find out? Would Mephisto reveal the truth?) and give him a small hook into her soul.
I honestly don’t care whether it’s consistent with his OMD views given my little regard for it. I like Peter and MJ but I can’t see their breakup as a loss that would make the heavens weep.

But I gotta say, I think the Skull would take the shot.

The motive of wiping out the existence of the Spider-Girl equivalent in the 616 before she was even born better suited Mephisto’s actions in OMD than making the heavens weep by breaking up the marriage.

Ev, I hadn’t heard that as an explanation. I like it, but the Spider-Girl we know isn’t 616 (or have they confirmed there will be one in the future? I could easily have missed that).

The Skull one actually makes sense, the man’s ego is so huge that yes, he would want to keep up the battle with Cap. Blasting him is far too cheap, Skull wants Cap to KNOW he’s beaten first.

It’s not totally unreasonable MW but I think he’s much less of an egotist and more a pragmatist than Doom, who has to prove himself superior to Reed.

And for the follow up, Hit-Girl trains Spidey to be a more bad ass vigilante :D

THIS was an incredible week full of “riches” that the complaining about the aspects of the suggestions” truly did not prepare me for. Regardless of the “technical level” at which they were executed, each had charm, and something to say. Nick Percy amazed me as always, and the composition involved with The Dark Knight Of The Crusades was a delight to behold.

I’m very happy to be associated with this weekly effort.

Good stuff as always, but am I the only one who thinks the whole magneto one is in poor taste in both concept and execution?

Oh, that Red Skull!

(And I would so buy Caped Crusade-Era Batman)

This contract is a scam!

Yup. That’s why you should read what you sign and never accept the first offer.

Gypsy Gold? Really?

Also would have loved to see Magneto show up at the Beer Hall Putsch, that would have made more sense and been in better taste. Redo!

What’s the deal with Ms. Marvel’s foot?

The Red Skull worked for me because I didn’t see it as an act of ego, but cruelty. He doesn’t want Cap dead as much as he wants him to suffer. His goal isn’t pragmatic rule, but evil.

I don’t know if it’s “in poor taste,” but something about Magneto doesn’t quite work.

Kirkman did WHAT? Guy needs some therapy.

Crusades Batman would have made a great Elseworlds.

And really, were the comic companies evil devils just trying to scam artists, or were they just trying to publish stuff on a monthy basis and giving people jobs for mostly forgotten crap with a few gems that stood the test of time in a way no one could have ever seen? The magic genie bag of gold is perfect, because it even absolves them of having to take any financial risk to publish or create the infrastructure that could make their creation known rather than them having ideas and no job.

The new Ms. Marvel’s power is shapeshifting, which often manifests as her extremities swelling up so she can hit people harder, scoop up people in her hand, etc.

@M-Wolverine

The Shuster, Siegel tale is a much longer and complex story that cannot be encapsulated in a single strip. What happened later beyond the initial deal as the book caught on and was adapted in different mediums, for which both creators chose to not demand an increase of their salaries, is when things get rather damning in terms DC’s former business practices. Because when the second world war broke out and new “temporary” contracts were negotiated by DC, things took a nasty turn for the worse. Namely the theft of Superboy, refusing them any work under false pretenses and removing their credits for creating the character. Shuster went as far as to use pseudonyms to try to sell work to no avail. The duo wound up in absolute poverty. If you want to learn more about it listen to Neal Adams in interview with Kevin Smith on Fat-man on Batman.

http://smodcast.com/episodes/neal-adams-neal-with-the-deal/

It’s fascinating, funny and informative discussion. If you want to learn about the history of American comics, this three part interview is a good start.

Cheers.

I’ve definitely read up on Siegel and Shuster in the past, but through the magic of comics, managed to simplify 70+ years of argument and struggle down to Satan and gypsy gold.

You’re welcome.

But it is true that most of the comics publishing industry at that point was literally run by shysters, con men, and gangsters looking for a quick buck.

From most of what I’ve read, the contract wasn’t a scam–they had been working in comics for a while and knew the score. But DC did promise them a chunk of merchandising, then informed them that while Superman merchandising might be making the company a boatload of money, it was really just “promotional” items so the contract didn’t cover it. That was dirty.

@Fraser- undoing Gwen’s and Norman’s deaths would cause several problems. For starters, that would mean both clone sagas never happened, and no Carrion. And the original Hobgoblin stories would play out completely differently if everyone knew Norman was alive. Would Ned have still died? Would Macendale have become the Hobgoblin and gotten demon powers? The “fake parents” storyline would never have happened. Plus, Karen Page’s death *might* have been altered- Mysterio went after Daredevil as a result of the Clone Saga. And how Tombstone got his powers *might* be altered, since it involved Harry as the Green Goblin. It would have been the post-Crisis “Did this story really happen” effect.

I echo those who wish One More Day had gone this way. So many stories could have come out of this idea! Imagine the heated MJ vs. Gwen debates that would have resulted. Peter’s love life, which has been dullsville since OMD, would have fired up.

Michael, thanks.

loved the batman watchman one including him telling roarshac to take a shower plus also love that mary jane one for mephistos look was priceless when she walks into to save gwen and thus proving she really cares for peter and his happiness. too bad that deal was not offered in omd

and that siegel and shuster one have to give props to the artist for having the balls to submit it for when it came to the rights of superman dc truely was the devil the way they got the rights plus that angel guy looks like alan moore to the rescue

Haha, “I dont save clowns”. So good :)

@demoncat_4: Would it interest you to know that since most of the characters in Watchmen were basically adaptations of characters from Charlton Comics that DC had bough when they purchased Charlton, that Watchmen (and V for Vendetta) isn’t as original as Moore says, and that Moore’s full of it?

Alan Moore and the Rights to Watchmen

“Something tells me that a metal net wouldn’t be the best way to save someone falling from a great height.”

You forget that Mercury is liquid at room temperature :)

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